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1911 toy pistol identification request

#1 Post by 72 usmc » Thu Apr 12, 2018 8:50 pm

I have this wood and cast iron toy pistol. The barrel is wood and the handle is cast iron. It seems to come with a metal sleeve with patent dates and the wood version lacking patent dates. Please might anyone have any information on these early toy pistols?
First the one with the sleeve shown in Gun Collector magazine. Its owner who is also looking for any information referred to it as a firecracker pistol???:

source is GUN COLLECTOR magazine Vol. 40, No. 3, June 2018, Page 10 this is the Ricochet section in the Finish Mosin Nagant Issue
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source of these 4 pictures are camera shots of views in the newest issue of Gun Collector magazine.
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Re: 1911 toy pistol identification request

#2 Post by 72 usmc » Thu Apr 12, 2018 8:52 pm

This is my pistol, but it lacks a sleeve, although that mag says its a tag. My pistol is like new and has no evidence of a tag or sleeve on it.
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#3 Post by 72 usmc » Thu Apr 12, 2018 8:53 pm

more pictures of my pistol:
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Re: 1911 toy pistol identification request

#4 Post by lloydiam » Fri Apr 13, 2018 9:24 am

That's Cool !...................

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#5 Post by 72 usmc » Fri Apr 13, 2018 2:32 pm

It kind of reminds me of the British 1880s bulldog look, but these seem to date to 1911-1913. No caps, it has a trigger that sort of acts like a D Day "clicker" or those goofy frog clickers.
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#6 Post by ffuries » Fri Apr 13, 2018 2:36 pm

I tired every combo of words I could think of, and I came up empty with my google-fu. Interesting relic of days gone by that is for sure. I've never seen one before you posted these.
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#7 Post by 72 usmc » Fri Apr 13, 2018 6:06 pm

There is a way to post a photo on line and some search engine looks for similar items, posts, links. But I forgot how to do that
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#8 Post by 72 usmc » Thu Jan 10, 2019 7:31 pm

Anyone know who made these?
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#9 Post by indy1919a4 » Thu Jan 10, 2019 8:47 pm

I remember seeing these in my misspent youth of toy collecting.. This was made in the latter 1800s.. 1870s - 1880s.
I do not know if you will ever find a manufacturer there is no name on them. Least all the ones I saw, I always like these transitions toys half wood half cast iron..

Speaking of great toys.. as a kid did you ever have or play with a big dick..

I think having one would be one of the greatest toys a guy or gal could have.. They were in the late 1910s into the 1920s.

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#10 Post by 72 usmc » Sat Jan 12, 2019 12:32 pm

I was told that this could possibly be a Grey Iron Company product. I can not find any list of toys that the early company,Wrightsville Hardware Company post 1881 made. So it seems to be conjecture.
Grey Iron began as the Wrightsville Hardware Company in 1881 to manufacture toys. In 1912, the company assumed the new name of the Grey Iron Casting Company and went into business on its own, based in Mount Joy, Pennsylvania. The company produced a wide array of iron banks and toys, including military miniatures. Their first iron banks were made in 1903, and they ceased bank production in 1925 – although they continued to sell from inventory for several years thereafter.
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#11 Post by indy1919a4 » Sat Jan 12, 2019 12:50 pm

Oh there are no catalogs like we know them for these early toys.. Many are bootlegs of bootlegs..

To be honest in these days it was not uncommon to make a metal part in one part of the world.. Ship that part to a factory/assemble site for final fitting.. Amazing how international trade was at work in early and pre america.

There is a museum in Kansas City for the 1856 sunken steam ship Arabia.. they recovered it and it is full of goods that was being transported on the Missouri at that time.. Amazing how many European foods and items were being shipped at that time.

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Re: 1911 toy pistol identification request

#12 Post by 72 usmc » Sat Jan 12, 2019 2:39 pm

You might enjoy the book Public report of investigations of the Steamboat Bertrand with cargo intact. See The Steamboat Bertrand :History, Excavation & Architecture 1972 by Jerome E Putsch National Park Service Dept of Interior publication at most reference Libraries. An OP goldie for historic archaeologists. For the bottle nuts there is the book a primary reference still used, The Bertrand Bottles: A Study of 19th-Century Glass and Ceramic Containers by Ronald Switzer Reprinted 2013, and also by the same author The Steamboat Bertrand and Missouri River Commerce


https://www.fws.gov/refuge/Desoto/wildl ... trand.html

lecture 50 min :clap: :clap: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VmzrQVQstHA


The other intact steamboat: Arabia see: Treasure in a Cornfield: The Discovery and Excavation of the Steamboat Arabia
by Greg Hawley, Dave Orf, Harry Barth, Debra Shouse , HC 1998 Paddle Wheel Pub, KC, Mo

https://www.thevintagenews.com/2016/06/ ... r-a-field/

lots of goodies... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_lZZLh_CnLo


The number of historic artifacts from both ships is nuts, and a Museum's nightmare for the cost to preserve, stabilize and house the collections.

If you really get steamed up about historical steamboats on the Rivers see http://www.steamboats.org/links-webcams ... links.html
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