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#1 Post by CRomanos » Tue Mar 06, 2018 2:04 am

A friend of a friend is looking for a 91/30, and about the only member of my collection I'm willing too part with is a 1943 ex-sniper (matching except for a force-matched magazine plate).

From what I'm seeing, these seem to be going for about $250 these days - is that correct/ high/low?

I have another ex- sniper that's 100% matching, so this is surplus for me.

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#2 Post by DaleH » Tue Mar 06, 2018 8:35 am

Seems low to me, as here in the Northeast I see nice, but otherwise average, 91/30s at $275 to $315 based on 3 shops I’ve visited recently.

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#3 Post by CRomanos » Tue Mar 06, 2018 5:11 pm

Good to know. The 250 was on GB, and they usually run high, so I didn't entirely trust it.

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#4 Post by CRomanos » Tue Mar 06, 2018 5:27 pm

Actually, on second look some went as high as 399 on GB, so I may be really low at 250

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#5 Post by DaleH » Wed Mar 07, 2018 7:55 am

If using G-Broker as a gauge ... I’d only count SOLD items.

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#6 Post by CRomanos » Wed Mar 07, 2018 11:51 pm

I am, believe me. I know they tend to run high

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#7 Post by polaris » Sat Mar 10, 2018 7:30 pm

CRomanos wrote:
Tue Mar 06, 2018 5:27 pm
Actually, on second look some went as high as 399 on GB, so I may be really low at 250
Depends on how good of a friend he is. Sometimes it's good to give a guy a break on a first rifle. Favors tend to come back around.

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#8 Post by CRomanos » Sat Mar 10, 2018 7:57 pm

And I will, just need to know what at the starting point is so I know what constitutes a break

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#9 Post by dynachrome » Fri Mar 16, 2018 10:46 pm

$250 is a decent price for an ex-sniper in my opinion. I see common beaters going for $275 and I rejected a dog of a 1943 izzy 91/30 that someone had painted gray. $300?????
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#10 Post by 72 usmc » Sat Mar 17, 2018 12:14 pm

An ex sniper (decommissioned sniper) with matching Russian prefix serial numbers, Tula markings with Tula bands, and Tula marked bolt that is a non bent 91/30 bolt -just the normal short one. It should have a sling and tool kit with a Tula marked bayonet- not matching , although a matching number bayonet just ups the price. Does the stock have a wood repair where the scope formally sat- is it a real sniper stock? Add the attribute of the import mark is located on the barrel and not the receiver and a stock that is uniform in color and non flaking -in other words a nice exsniper rearsenal 91/30. You will see high prices; it will be going around $350- 450. Add a bent, original matching bolt and you can add $100+. Add a MO or double date MO, or other odd mark- then add another $100. If you find such a jewel for $250 grab it. If I see an Izzy, I would not even want it. Price is regional specific and determined by certain attributes.

Now a normal Tula ex sniper 91/30 with matching serial numbers- but no Russian prefix, short rearsenal bolt-mixed bolt parts and bands Izzy & Tula, no sling or tool kit and an unmarked odd ball bayonet. The rifle is in a regular 91/30 stock- no wood repair at the scope cut out on the left side. Again a pre 2005 with the import mark on the barrel and a fair stock that has some flaking. Say $250-300.

Now I have seen total Tula dogs, rearsenal exsnipers (decommissioned snipers) with stiff bolts and triggers, the rifle will have a miss matched bolt. The other parts generally exhibit line outs and missmatched numbers and/or mixed parts- both Izzy and some Tula on a flaking normal 91/30 stock. No sling or cleaning rod. Maybe a bayonet, and these have been marked $150-175. Izzy rearsenal ex snipers are always in less demand. Most want that nice Tula sniper mark. I hate line outs , non matching bolts, and Izzy marker"s marks.

I have seen common non sniper, 91/30 Tula or Izzy round receiver matching Mosins, but they are lacking the Russian prefix and they have a stinking huge, post 2005, billboard import mark on the received;these are generally now marked $200 :doh: Back in the day I would not have paid even $79 for such a marked rifle.
So prices be crazy :snooty: , most of us got Mosins at $49-100 by the crate full and /or collected them by type & country or arsenal maker by the year. I favored M44s and had collected 91/30 Tulas by the year. So it is kind of crazy for us old guys to even consider paying $200 for a Mosin.

And if you like 91/30 hex receivers or M91 Mosins best have a thick wallet.

So consider the important factors in price:
matching bolt and a non counter bored barrel
Tula vs Izzy No hex PU snipers they came out 1942, maybe a redone Finn is possible SA marked?
Hex vs Round receiver
Import mark location & size of the import mark
mix of parts manufacturer Tula & Izzy parts on same rifle Russian prefix in the matching serial number
The goodies -cleaning rod, sling, tool kit bayonet
Older brownish or leather sling or a green sling
bayonet serial number matches, real rare
Stock condition and does it have the wood repair by the scope mount is it a real sniper stock?
Flaking stock
short normal decommissioned 91/30 bolt or an original bent bolt
Are all the bolt parts Tula or Izzy and not a mix
Is the bolt operation smooth, likewise the trigger
Stock cartouches still present
no line outs or restamps
bayonet maker's mark present and matches the rifle

Now if it is a kid getting into surplus and you get what you paid , then trade it off to promote collecting
If its a rich guy or he has a good job, sock it to him or at least get far market value depending on the rifles attributes
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As I sell off stuff, I generally trade for books or car repairs. Sometimes it is just better to give stuff or sell at a loss to local kids or relatives to promote historical interest in surplus firearms or target shooting. You can not take it with you.
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#11 Post by CRomanos » Sun Mar 18, 2018 1:50 am

I offered it up for 300, it's not counterbored, matching straight bolt, force-matched mag floor plate, repaired stock where the scope was originally located, and I'm throwing in 100 rounds of surplus ammo.

I have another ex sniper that's all matching, without the stock repair, both are Izzys, no MO or any other special markings and I'm more than doubling my initial investment. I might have been able to get more but it's someone be who wants to get into Mosins so I'm willing to help encourage his habit.

Plus, it gets me $300 closer to a Garand!

One thing I never understood about the ex snipers is why they didn't leave the original matching bent bolt - why go back to straight?

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#12 Post by polaris » Sun Mar 18, 2018 11:59 pm

It's my understanding that sometime after WWII, these rifles were disassembled into parts, then the parts repaired and refinished to spec, and re-assembled, often with ground and re-stamped matching serial numbers in a nightmarish experiment to forever frustrate American collectors sometime in the future. Your sniper bolts likely ended up on another sniper rifle, or a scrap metal pile, or God knows what.

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#13 Post by steamer » Mon Mar 19, 2018 12:55 am

@OP If you and your "friend of a friend" didn't close the deal - they have some at SOG that might be worth considering: http://www.southernohiogun.com/longguns/c-r-longguns

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#14 Post by echo1 » Mon Mar 19, 2018 4:20 am

That about sets the base for Cincinnati. They are creeping up these days. I've got a couple mismatched M44s I just listed in a local forum for a FTF, with a close to "I don't really want to sell" prices, to feel out the market. PAX

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#15 Post by CRomanos » Wed Mar 21, 2018 5:52 am

polaris wrote:
Sun Mar 18, 2018 11:59 pm
It's my understanding that sometime after WWII, these rifles were disassembled into parts, then the parts repaired and refinished to spec, and re-assembled, often with ground and re-stamped matching serial numbers in a nightmarish experiment to forever frustrate American collectors sometime in the future. Your sniper bolts likely ended up on another sniper rifle, or a scrap metal pile, or God knows what.
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