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Military Surplus k98ks commonly found at gun shows

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Re: Military Surplus k98ks commonly found at gun shows

#121 Post by 72 usmc » Fri Feb 15, 2019 6:57 pm

A hard one to find. One of the last rifles I would like to add to my collection. The Norwegian capture K98k. Libertytreecollectors reference library:
https://www.libertytreecollectors.com/p ... ategory=82

milsurps ref. library:
https://www.milsurps.com/content.php?r= ... -und-Sohn)

Here are two great videos:
Norwegian K98kF1 Repurposed Mauser Forgotten weapons
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5cDEUyxrdO0

Some history: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FTbyrTr45Ak
Pictures are from screen shots from the above two video sources: Modifications done to a Norwegian 30-06 modified K98ks:
Rebarreled to 30-06 marked KAL 7.62 m/m
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Both front & rear sight modifications V to U and larger front sight
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Re: Military Surplus k98ks commonly found at gun shows

#122 Post by 72 usmc » Fri Feb 15, 2019 7:13 pm

Flat ground on Left side of receiver & marked with branch of service and a new Norwegian serial number
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Bolt and butt plate also marked/reserialized with a Norwegian serial number
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Lengthened the magazine box and modified the stock inlet
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Re: Military Surplus k98ks commonly found at gun shows

#123 Post by 72 usmc » Fri Feb 15, 2019 7:15 pm

Notched the top of the receiver for longer 30-06 cartridge
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Some have a stock reenforcement pin added
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Re: Military Surplus k98ks commonly found at gun shows

#124 Post by 72 usmc » Sat Feb 16, 2019 12:10 am

See this old post: hansellhd2 example is perfect!
Thread: Going rate for a Norwegian K98 .30-06 conversion?
https://forums.gunboards.com/showthread ... conversion

Screen shots from hansellhd2 's example.
Other attributes found on 30-06 converted Norwegian K98ks;
The Nazi markings and serial numbers remain on the small parts. Some match, others have mixed parts. On the receiver, the original German serial number is lined out and the new Norwegian number is restamped on the flat, the bolt, and the butt plate.
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On the bolt only the last 3 numbers of the new Norwegian serial number are restamped on the ground surface. The German serial number is ground off, a new surface polished then the new Norwegian last three numbers of the serial number are restamped. No other markings are ground off or lined out. Only the original German serial number on the receiver is lined out.
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Bolt face on a 30-06 Norwegian bolt.
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Re: Military Surplus k98ks commonly found at gun shows

#125 Post by indy1919a4 » Sat Feb 16, 2019 2:21 pm

Always liked that waffenamt
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#126 Post by indy1919a4 » Sat Feb 16, 2019 6:13 pm

Well had me going with all the Norwegian talk had to pick up one that was at a local gun show.. Had one but the wood really called to me with this one.. Love that dark rose wood color.

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Re: Military Surplus k98ks commonly found at gun shows

#127 Post by Stef242 » Sat Feb 16, 2019 7:44 pm

Very cool stuff those norwegians…..another one for my wantlist.
Thanks for sharing!

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Re: Military Surplus k98ks commonly found at gun shows

#128 Post by 72 usmc » Sat Feb 16, 2019 8:48 pm

:o PLEASE. We need a detailed photo documentation of that specimen. Show everything. :pray: :pray: :pray: :pray: :pray: :pray: :pray:

By the way, you realized that you used up all of your luck for this year on that find.
Can you provide some better bolt head pictures, and close ups of the wood stock modifications.
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Re: Military Surplus k98ks commonly found at gun shows

#129 Post by indy1919a4 » Sun Feb 17, 2019 11:52 am

72 usmc wrote:
Sat Feb 16, 2019 8:48 pm

By the way, you realized that you used up all of your luck for this year on that find.
Can you provide some better bolt head pictures, and close ups of the wood stock modifications.
Nonsense, I make my own luck.. and there is more to come :)

Here is a photo of the bolt

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The bolt is all matching number, The firing pin is not numbered. The stock parts are all matching the original German serial number

Will get some stock photos in a bit.

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update, I kinda lied to you, the Butt stock plate is numered the same number that the Norwegian renumbered the rifle to. The rest of the stock pieces are numbered to the original German number .

The sight has some Waffenamts on it, but is a different number to either the Norwegian number or the German number.

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Re: Military Surplus k98ks commonly found at gun shows

#130 Post by indy1919a4 » Sun Feb 17, 2019 10:33 pm

Speaking of Norwegian k98s reminds me of a display in Norway at the Oslo Resistance museum.

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Re: Military Surplus k98ks commonly found at gun shows

#131 Post by 72 usmc » Wed Feb 20, 2019 1:25 pm

Some more info from lumberjack in Norway:
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In may 1945 it was approximately 300 000 german troops in Norway. So after WW2 Norway had plenty K98k rifles. The army started using them, but after a while shipments of US M1 garand rifles and plenty ammunition was supplied, and the army started using them.
The Norwegian military kept the K98k rifles, but for logitic reasons they were rebarreled to .3006 in the early 1950's. Rifles was rebarreled With superb Kongsberg made barrels, it was cut a notch in the receiver and the Magazine was lengthened for use With 3006 M2 ammunition. The sights was changed to a U notch and a square front sight blade. The receiver also got a new number with the letters HÆR (army), FLY (air force), K.Art (costal artillery) before a 4 or 5 digit number. The barrel was marked 7.62 m m.
(HÆR-12345, FLY-1234, K.Art-1234), i have only seen HÆR-marked rifles With more than 4 digit numbers.
The Norwegian model name for K98k in 3006 was M98K-F1.

The military also kept some K98k rifles in original 7,92 chambering for navy use, but they also got new Serial number that started With KNM(Royal Norwegain navy) and a 4 digit number (KNM-1234).

M98K-F1 was in use by the national guard until the early 1970's, but units used them for cadet use until 1996. The military still had some in reserve until after year 2000...
source: http://www.surplusrifleforum.com/viewto ... f=13&t=252
I wish he would post some photos of some rare examples.
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Re: Military Surplus k98ks commonly found at gun shows

#132 Post by Lumberjack » Thu Feb 21, 2019 5:39 am

I can take som Pictures of a M98K-F1 one day, byt they are all very standard. I have seen 100+ of those rifles and its std K98K that has the modifications i mentioned.

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Re: Military Surplus k98ks commonly found at gun shows

#133 Post by 72 usmc » Sun Mar 31, 2019 4:16 pm

Here is an RC Russian Capture K98k lacking the X & no import mark that sold at Libertytreecollectors ASAP for $595. I am not sure if this its one of Classics' recent redos that was cleaned up by removal of the X, import mark, and the RC serial number on the bolt. Or if its an oddball RC. This one has no fake Nazi cartouches and I can see no evidence of an R GUNS import mark removed at the right side of the sight base. I can not see the barrel close enough to say if an import mark was removed from it. Was the barrel polished showing no evidence of dings and scratches and then sujected to a reblue??? There is also no re -stamp of matching numbers, it looks like an RC. Only close inspection of the barrel's outside surface would provide evidence of tampering/modification. Not all of the Classic dogs got fake stock cartouches, but they did get re-stamped matching numbers. Maybe ( I really do not think so ) this is what I called a MITCHCLASSISC:
The MITCHCLASSIC has arrived :doh: :think: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:
adde by edit 15 Ap 2018
An observation: in 2016 Classic was selling actual unmodified RCs with the typical RC attributes.These had an R -Guns import mark on the left side under the rear sight base- this was a very small mark. Some time in 2017 the Mitchell like modified RC's, (that I will call the "Mitchclassics"), began to show up. These are actually better than a Mitchell Mauser because all the RC traits are removed. On a "Mitchclassic" :lol: , they( we do not know who) removed quite expertly some specific attributes that Mitchell left in place- mostly all RC traits are gone . This entailed not leaving an X that Mitchell turned into an asterisk, leaving the stock a nice dark color, removing the stock's RC stamped serial number, and removing the R-Guns tiny import- other than that they have restamped numbers that match and added fake cartouches like a Mitchell, but do not have that new look like a Mitchell Mauser K98k. They ( Mitchclassic's) are perfect for a reenactor that wants a Replica K98k. They no longer have to buy a Mitchell and age the stock, deal with the deeply stamped stock serial #, and polish off the Mitchell import mark on the barrel. Who ever rebuilds these K98s has hit the right market because Classic is selling them like hot cakes.
Prices are sky high, but I think reenactors love these new replica/facsimile K98ks " Mitchclassic" rifles. No one knows who is actually doing the rebuilding.
But the work is really good. It is difficult to tell from photos where the markings have been removed. The re blue over the work matches. No grind marks appear visible. And the stock cartouches are the same as the Polish FAKE reproduction eBay stamps. I would like to actually see one of these rifles in person for an inspection.
see http://www.surplusrifleforum.com/viewto ... =13&t=2084



This specimen was gone as soon as it was listed. Is it an RC that was modified, or one of the few that never got the X? It is odd the bolt serial number is gone or was never electro penciled. Maybe an RC that was only slightly altered by the previous owner? It is just to unique that Ivan forgot to X the receiver, electro pencil the bolt top and then the importer also missed marking an import mark on it?????? Also notice the stock serial number is not positioned like an RC --it is not place horizontal with the barrel or perpendicular to the butt plate. rather, it is stamped like a Yugo Capture with the applied serial number on the stock positioned parallel to the butt plate. Maybe an early Yugo example lacking the Yugo crest. Is it a early 1946 Yugo rebuild of a K98 - that might explain a few traits/or the lack of the ones commonly found on Russian Captures. :think: :think: :think: :think: However, these early captured Yugo, 1945-46 rebuilt K98ks had almost matching numbers. They just checked them for function & stamped the serial number on the stock. So this is indeed a strange rifle.

Libertytreecollectors is a top grade sellers and always provides great detailed pictures. However, the pictures go down soon after a sale, so I am posting their description and all of Libertytrees pictures as documentation of this excellent specimen of a probable altered Russian Capture k98k, Or a possible, but unlikely MITCHCLASSIC??????? :think: :shhh: :snooty: :doh:

code 243 Mauser- Borsigwalde 1940. Likely a Russian Captured (RC)
Serial number #1759 This offering is for the pictured German K98 Mauser rifle. WW2 production and maker marked from arsenal code 243 Mauser- Borsigwalde 1940. Likely a Russian Captured (RC) during the war, or saw use in other Eastern block countries for post war service.

Mist matched serial numbers. Metal finish is a mix, mostly worn blue with silvering on the exposed edges, trigger guard area worn to gun metal gray. Reproduction cleaning rod and sight hood, mechanically appears fine.

Sound laminated stock set, lightly sanded, oil finish applied.

Chambered in 8mm Mauser the bore is brite with very good rifling. Not import marked.

These pictures are taken from Libertytreecollectors link; Source is https://www.libertytreecollectors.com/p ... dcategory=
These pics will be gone in the link soon. So here they are posted as documentation of a fine example of a K98K.

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Re: Military Surplus k98ks commonly found at gun shows

#134 Post by 72 usmc » Sun Mar 31, 2019 4:18 pm

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Re: Military Surplus k98ks commonly found at gun shows

#135 Post by 72 usmc » Sun Mar 31, 2019 4:20 pm

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Just goes to show RC values have climbed to around $600-650. :violin:
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