Actually after looking at the so called RCs from Nam, I am really not convinced that these are RUSSIAN CAPTURES . In the second link there are more close up photos that provide a few hints as to a possible source. We do not have close ups of the bolt numbers, bands, nor the serial # inside of the wood. I can not see the total top of the bolts, nor any serial numbers on the bolts- information about the bolt is critical to help provide evidence as to the three rifles source. I see no X mark on the barrel or receiver and the author states it is missing on all three rifles. I can not see evidence of the stock having the typical RC serial number deeply stamped on the left side of the stock. It does appear that two have a 3 digit number ??? (hard to see, the pics do not enlarge on my computer) stamped on the stocks and this is the best attributable evidence for their RC nature. What I do see are capture screws and miss matched floor plates. What I do not see are electro penciled markings on the bolt or any of the other visible smaller parts, nor do I see scribed electro penciled line outs to any of the existing serial numbers. Granted it would provide more conclusive evidence if we had views of the bands and bolts and if we knew whether the bolts that apparently have no electropenciled serial number are matching to the rifle or if they are matching to themselves. We also are lacking information on the degree of matching parts on these three rifles. Two have what appear to be a darker stock and a darker blue as seen on RCs, but the other does not. No attribute information is presented on why the author thinks these are Russian Captures rather than French Capture or possible Bulgarian/Romanian Captures. Consequently, we have no evidence in the form of written descriptive or pictorial attributes that might provide the probable source as these three K98ks. After thinking about the Nam RC post by Saigon 1965 and looking at his photos in both links; I really see NO clear photographic evidence that these three rifles are Russian Captures.
The most common Russian Capture attributes are not present on these examples. I see no elcetro written numbers or line outs, the bolt has no electro, rewritten, force matched serial # and locking screws are still present. I do not know if all the metal parts are mixed- are these rifles mix masters, or almost all matching? This is the evidence I do see. I see a possible RC black and stock color and an odd, faintly stamped 3 digit serial number on the left side of two stocks which I can hardly see and can not tell if it matches a serial number on the rifle's receiver. I wish we knew if these are true mix masters RC rifles. If these rifles are almost all matching except for the bolt and maybe a few (1 or 2 of the other parts) like the floor plate; and given the blue is really not a true typical Russian black (I can not tell from the photos) and only two of the stocks have a kind of Russian dark color, I am thinking these may be FRENCH CAPTURES rather Russian, but more likely Bulgarian.
My French capture/ french re-work is all matching except the bolt. I have only seen a few at gun shows. My French K98k has a stamped line out on one small part: the bolt release. Its stock is a similar dark color as seen in two of the Nam examples. However, I do not know about or have knowledge of the Legion's use of French K98ks. Did all of the early use K98ks have a French Capture altered stock with the U shaped cut and French sling bar as seen on most French, more recent import marked K98s seen at gun shows? Some French captures also may or may not have a hex shaped stacking rod and a French star stamped on the receiver. See the next post reviewing a French capture's attributes.
Did the late 1940s or early 1950s French Legion K98ks always have the French sling cut in the stock? Did the French Foreign Legion use K98s in Nam? I though most had Mas 36s? I do not know? What I see are three stocks missing the most obvious trait of a French Capture - The French modification to the German K98 for their French Berthier/Mas 36 wide sling by cutting a U shaped sling groove and adding a French sling bar behind the German take down washed. So if all French capture K98s always had the stock modifications, then they can not be French Captures. No real attributes suggest French Captures that I have observed. Does any one have knowledge of the early use of French Captured K98s ? What did these K98s look like? Are they the same (have the same attributes) as the ones seen at gun shows?
From the above thoughts, I am leaning more to a Bulgarian /Romanian source for the Saigon1965 rifles. The examples seem to be more matching and lacking Russian RC and French Capture/re-work traits. They have more of a flavor of a like new, Bulgarian Capture rifle, not like the beat , poor condition of ones seen at current gun shows. BUT, and this is a huge BUT,
Why are all the Nazi marks intact? The latest Balkan/Romanian Captures have the most common key attribute: this is the fact that all the dirty birds and most Nazi markings are pinged--- and I mean, really pinged out. They really wanted to destroy all those dirty birds and othe Nazi stampings on the K98. These Nam examples have all markings intact? So what are these rifles that Saigon 1965 posted ?
Anyone got ideas?
Are they odd RCs? I guess only more data on these rifle- the nature of the bolt and parts, are they mix masters or mostly matching, do the faint stock #s match the receiver? Why are there 3 digit numbers on the stock? the stock stamped numbers are the best attribute suggesting a RC origin.
I'd suggest these could be almost new K98s when captured and were only checked by Ivan at the rebuild factory since they were almost brand new not needing repair, Ivan just cleaned, then Xed, and wrote a serial number on the top of the bolt and stamped it also on the left side of the stock? No shellac or light shellac over an original matching stock. German cartouches intact. A mostly matching K98 RC. I have seen two RCs like this, but why the missing x, and electro pencil on the bolt? Very odd.
To old to fight and to old to run, a Jar head will just shoot and be done with you.