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Added another SA Mauser - ZAR Chilean 1893

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#1 Post by Mwt » Sat Jan 06, 2018 6:06 pm

This one is an SA for two reasons: it was originally made in 1899 for the ZAR - Republic of South Africa(Dutch); after being sent back to DWM (last 4000 Rifle lot ordered before the outbreak of hostilities with the British) it was sold to Chile and so stamped on the receiver.
Only the C prefix, bent bolt handle, and the fact it is an 1893 rather than the more common 1896 ID it as a ZAR contract rifle.

The stock was cut below the lower band and it was misidentified on GunBroker as a model 1898.

Cost of restoration-$185 shipped for the rifle and $45 for miscellaneous bits like the cleaning rod.

Oh and all numbers match and it has the nicest tiger stripes I’ve seen in a while.
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#2 Post by Smokey » Sun Jan 07, 2018 6:11 am

Those rifles, in good condition, are real tack drivers. No wonder the Boers shot the British up so badly.
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#3 Post by vandle » Sun Jan 07, 2018 5:54 pm

Great to see you saved another one

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#4 Post by indy1919a4 » Sun Jan 07, 2018 9:26 pm

Mwt wrote:
Sat Jan 06, 2018 6:06 pm

The stock was cut below the lower band and it was misidentified on GunBroker as a model 1898.

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Any clue why this rifle would be duffel cut like that??? Are there any import marks on this??

And I do like the Tiger stripe..

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#5 Post by Mwt » Sun Jan 07, 2018 10:03 pm

indy1919a4 wrote:
Mwt wrote:
Sat Jan 06, 2018 6:06 pm

The stock was cut below the lower band and it was misidentified on GunBroker as a model 1898.

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Any clue why this rifle would be duffel cut like that??? Are there any import marks on this??

And I do like the Tiger stripe..
No import marks that I have found. It almost certainly was imported so I assume it is a pre 1968 import.

I think Bubba cut the stock for deer hunting In the early sixties when he picked it up at his local Montgomery Wards for $25.


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#6 Post by Mwt » Sun Jan 07, 2018 10:11 pm

Smokey wrote:Those rifles, in good condition, are real tack drivers. No wonder the Boers shot the British up so badly.
I actually was a bit disappointed with the accuracy. My Chilean m1912 is significantly more accurate. However, the donor for-end I grafted to the tiger is a rather loose fit to the barrel. I bedded the last five inches with acra-glass today and really tightened the fit under the front band. Will have to let it fully cure before I can test the results. I forgot how much stronger the striker is on an 1893 vs an 1898 Mauser. It really drops with authority!
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#7 Post by indy1919a4 » Sun Jan 07, 2018 10:37 pm

Oh very nice... I did not fully understand that the gun was a sporter at 1st... I looked at the later photos 1st and saw the complete stock and it looked so good
hell I thought it was a complete stock to begin with.

Extra nice job on that stock.. Again nicely blended together ...





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Sun Jan 07, 2018 10:03 pm
indy1919a4 wrote:
Mwt wrote:
Sat Jan 06, 2018 6:06 pm

The stock was cut below the lower band and it was misidentified on GunBroker as a model 1898.

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Any clue why this rifle would be duffel cut like that??? Are there any import marks on this??

And I do like the Tiger stripe..
No import marks that I have found. It almost certainly was imported so I assume it is a pre 1968 import.

I think Bubba cut the stock for deer hunting In the early sixties when he picked it up at his local Montgomery Wards for $25.


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#8 Post by Mwt » Mon Jan 08, 2018 9:58 pm

Managed to test fire the rifle this afternoon late to see if the barrel bedding at the stock tip improved grouping. Wasn’t a good test as the light was fading and it was overcast. I had painted the front sight white for hunting-the white sight on the white target was not optimal either.

I can say for sure that I didn’t hurt the grouping and I believe it is in fact improved but I’ll need a better day to really see what she can do. The shot in the 9 ring at 9 o’clock was the first shot and I drifted the sight a little to better center the other four.
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#9 Post by Smokey » Tue Jan 09, 2018 4:17 am

With all the emphasis on free-floating, folks forget that the stock can also help stiffen up the barrel, helping it shoot better. I've also found that powders in the range of IMR3031 to IMR4320 will get all the upset done in the first part of the barrel, and lets things settle down before the bullet leaves. That also improves accuracy. I learned this while working with a Lebel. Using IMR4350, the rifle wouldn't stay on the paper at 25 yards. Changing to Ramshot TAC with the same bullet turned it into a good shooter.
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#10 Post by Mwt » Tue Jan 09, 2018 7:39 am

Bullet design is also critical in these old guns. I tried my first groups with this rifle using nosler custom competition 168 gr boattails. My Chilean 1912 loves them, but the best the ZAR would do was 10” at 100 yds. It settled down when I switched to Speer 145 gr flat base.

The most extreme example I have is an 1895 Dutch that will throw match bullets through the target sideways. But it shoots 160 gr roundnose decently. My buddy has a similar 1895 Dutch Long rifle used by the Dutch Army - mine is KNIL issued - his shoots the match bullets beautifully. I did notice his rear sight calibrations start at 400 meters and mine 300. I’m guessing his was arsenal updated for spitzers. His also had Nazi modifications - side sling adapted.

I use 4064 almost exclusively in my vintage rifles.

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#11 Post by Smokey » Wed Jan 10, 2018 6:41 pm

I've also found that flat base bullets with a long bearing surface tend to do a lot better than others in barrels with "generous" bores. The flat base is more likely to upset like a rivet, and the long bearing surface adds more stability against tipping, and resistance to help the riveting up process.
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