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PostPosted: Thu Dec 29, 2016 2:03 pm 
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Hi all saw on of these at my local place and don't know much about these they say it's a short Turkish k kale 1944 mauser carbine never saw a short Turkish rifle mine are long rifles it has a nice stock with a turn down bolt looks cool was hoping for some feedback are they harder to get then the long rifles thanks in advance


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PostPosted: Thu Dec 29, 2016 10:38 pm 
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I have heard about the 98/37 Turk short rifle, and the 1903/37 short rifle with normal mauser sights on the end of the barrel. But what is a 98//35? :confusion-confused:
those Turk short rifles do not show up too often anymore. There is a K Kale marked long and short rifle. The short rifle is about 44 - 44 1/2 inches long and marked K Kale on the receiver. Also a hard find now-a-days. If the barrel is great; $200-300 is not bad if it's a short rifle with rod. :idea: :arrow: see pic
http://www.turkmauser.com/rifles/JoeS/38_46.aspx

I have not seen these too much at WI shows. If it's like the one in the pic and by some odd chance the bolt matches--you best run and buy it for $300 :dance: :dance: :doh:. You never see these . Mostly I see common long rifle Turks at shows and the nuts want $200+ :snooty: :shifty: :violin: :roll:

see http://candrsenal.com/a-quick-and-dirty ... sh-rifles/

http://www.turkmauser.com/models.aspx

Do some research, measure the rifles length. Some are short, some are in-between, and some are long, all with mismatched, bent bolts. see
http://parallaxscurioandrelicfirearmsfo ... GXOLGPotUc

If it's at a good price say $125, you always grab a Turk.

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PostPosted: Sun Jan 01, 2017 7:49 pm 
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Ok did some research it is a k kale short rifle 1944 has a nice blonde color stock in really nice shape bore is in good shape and did good on bullet test a good 1/4 sticking out of barrel it cost 300 but doesn't seem to be to many of those that were made I think 15000 total so it might seem like a lot for a Turk but I've never saw one so it's will be a nice addition to my collection


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PostPosted: Mon Jan 02, 2017 12:46 pm 
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Does the bolt actually match? Was the stock refinished? Does it have the cleaning rod?

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 02, 2017 2:32 pm 
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The bolt doesn't match which I hear is common or I thought it was common it has a turned down bolt with a flat side the stock doesn't appear to be refinished it has a very light brown color to it much lighter than a typical Turk stock. it does have the cut through it I assume for a sling I don't think I saw the cleaning rod I will have to check next time I go


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PostPosted: Mon Jan 02, 2017 10:37 pm 
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: True most Turk mausers are miss matched. It is a hard find to find one that matches. But Matching Bolts are out there, but uncommon, I have a few that match- but no short rifles. Pay attention to the sling variation:
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The short rifle can be found with three sling configurations: side, underside, or both.


I have no idea if the rod is a long kkale rod cut short and retreaded or some other type of rod. Just to few examples. In the past Turkish rod variation post, no one had a short rod to show???
viewtopic.php?f=34&t=140483&hilit=+turk+mauser+cleaning+rods
more views of K Kale short rifles:
http://www.northeastshooters.com/vbulle ... hort-Rifle

http://forums.gunboards.com/showthread. ... t-up-today

I would pick that rifle up, some dog is going to buy it out from under you if you wait too long. If I saw it, I would pick it up ASAP. :drool: :drool: Walk in with cash and see if he will go down 10 % , down to $275 is a fair /good price for a short rifle. Like I said, dealers are getting $200 on a common Turk and Mosin. Prices have gone nuts at gun shows and the new Peterson surplus rifle price guide is coming out in Jan so book price will likely go higher since it is used by pawn/gun/antique shops as a primary guide. BUY IT
Just wait & see how prices go up :shifty: :snooty: :think: :violin:
https://www.amazon.com/Standard-Catalog ... 1NRKBNAS0Y

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You can make a rod by cutting a long Turk rod to length. The flat bolt knob indicates it has a KAR 98a bolt - common for the Turks to do.

72usmc, my 1903/37 short has the same front sight as the kirkkale short rifle.
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Picking it up on Monday will post pictures thanks for the help


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Picked up rifle on Friday looks good the problem is that the bore is frosted in the grooves it has strong rifling but lots of dirt and crud coming out I'm hoping when I get it clean it will be ok. still really like the rifle so I'm hopeful it will shoot decent


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If the "frosting" is primarily in the grooves, the rifle will probably shoot pretty well, assuming the bore is otherwise good (no wear damage at the muzzle from the cleaning rod), proper fit to the stock etc.

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It is mostly in the grooves but it does look like there is some on the rifling on the last 6 inches of the barrel looks a little speckled the crown is perfect you can see all the grooves looks a little like a clover shape no cleaning rod damage I'm still cleaning and patches still coming out black


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This was the bullet test so I thought it was a good one


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