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Winchester blue sky import

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I picked up a Winchester carbine with blue sky stamped on barrel today. Paid 300 for it. Anyone have any info on these. Stock is marked with a P. Haven’t stripped it down yet. Thanks for any info

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Many of the M1 Carbines were M2's and converted back to M1's. They have been "rode hard and put away wet" as many of the parts are very worn. Accuracy was poor on the one I got way back when. I had to replace the barrel and the gas piston/lock nut as they were leaking so badly.
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Condition, condition, condition....
https://www.thehighroad.org/index.php?t ... rt.145464/

The first and second batches of carbines represented the dregs of the Korean War reserve stockpiles. They got rid of the worn specimens and kept the best condition weapons for their service. Assume yours is so-so; if unsure have a gunsmith check it out, gauge it, and rebuild the springs.
BLUE SKY M1 Carbines were ok mix masters, most had poor, dinged & cracked stocks and had shot out barrels with bad gas pistons and lose nuts. Most had weak springs. Condition is everything. The first batch are the "Blue Sky" carbines that came from Korea in the early 1980s, that I remember. The Blue Sky Inc. company is from Arlington, Virginia. They imported a large batch of well used, beat M1s and M1 carbines out of Korea back into the United States. Since this was after the 1968 laws, they had to have an import mark. BLUE SKY import marked the barrel with their stamp (because it was required by U.S. law). CMP lend lease return rifles do not have import marks. Some Blue Sky carbines were rebuilt with surplus parts at Arlington. I have not seen examples of these specimens at gun shows. These are the better ones.

The key problem is some were stamped very deep, others were lightly stamped on the barrel. Blue Sky stamped rifles were actually stamped so hard that you can see an inward bulge in the bore. The Blue Sky import mark will appear very deeply stamped. Lightly stamped is better. These can be problematic rifles for two reasons: first is the fact most exhibit heavy use and are well worn, second the deeply applied import mark can actually effect the accuracy of the rifle. Bores can range from shotgun to good - some buyers found some nice specimens that fired OK. However, most were in very poor condition. They were similar to the second batch of early 2002-2204 Century Arms carbines also from Korea - almost all failed a headspace test and the bores were shot out and swallowed an M1 muzzle gauge. Dunham & Big 5 were dumping these at $500-600. Basically parts on a stick.

First, take down the carbine and check the gas piston and nut. Is the nut loose? Does the piston move. Get a field gauge and see if it headspaces on a FIELD REJECT GAUGE. Then get a 30 caliber muzzle gauge and measure the muzzle wear. You can bet it's not under 2, but does it swallow the gauge?? Look at the chamber for pits, and the throat, do you see any rifling? Throat-Erosion-Is Checked with a throat-Erosion gauge, it costs much more than a muzzle gauge. Check the rail for a cracked bolt guide rail. Also look for damaged operating guide rails. Check the stock for cracks. Feel the barrel for pressure bulges. You may want to get a rebuild spring kit and replace most of the springs. ( Wolf Springs) Be sure to take down the bolt and inspect it and clean it. Look for tiny cracks by the lugs & extractor. Is the bolt face damaged or hammer flat at the edges? Is the operating rod bent or the inside notch hammered out of shape? You got it at a great buy, so if it is OK. You did well for a shooter, esspcially a Winchester. Does it have a Winchester flat bolt or a round bolt? How much wear is visible at the lug surfaces & edges? What year is on the barrel?

Here is a take down reference:
http://thecmp.org/wp-content/uploads/m1 ... sembly.pdf

Here are the gauges & tools:
https://www.fulton-armory.com/m1-garand-tools.aspx

M1 Carbine Spring tune up kit:
https://www.brownells.com/rifle-parts/r ... 24712.aspx

Safety issues:
http://www.m1carbinesinc.com/safety.html

Two great books;
Collecting the M1 Carbine III by Author: J.C. Harrison
The U.S. .30 Cal. Gas Operated Carbines, A Shop Manual by Author: Jerry Kuhnhausen

Video headspace:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bSpJudCzP8k
Video muzzle gauge test:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kNFVXMsyWBo
Video bolt removal:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5i75lpSZgtQ

see some old posts :
http://www.uscarbinecal30.com/imports.html
https://forums.gunboards.com/showthread ... ky-carbine
http://www.sksboards.com/smf/index.php?topic=118502.0

If new to firearms, see this:
http://www.surplusrifleforum.com/viewto ... f=8&t=2911

What year? I can copy the parts id page from Harrison for you.
If you want to read about carbines then get Ruths, WAR BABY vol 1-3. Fantastic primary reference. Vol 1 covers all the US carbines and vol 2 covers accessories and all the commercial carbines. Neither, have any info on the Blue Sky Imports. I have not found aa used copy at a reasonable price of Vol3- new its like $145. :snooty:
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Re: Winchester blue sky import

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We would like to see some photos for the record, stock condition, import mark and a few views of the metal condition. How nice is it ? How many parts are Winchester?
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Thanks guys, when I have a chance this weekend I’ll strip it down and post pics.

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Still waiting for a documentation if possible, few Blues Skys are shown in detail. It would be neat to have some photo documentation. Thanks
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