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Re: SMLE .22 trainer

#16 Post by Calfed » Thu Jun 15, 2017 11:28 pm

I think there is one version that has a magazine that has been converted to feed .22 rounds.

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Re: SMLE .22 trainer

#17 Post by Techsupport » Fri Jun 16, 2017 2:11 am

There has been a couple made to feed .22LR from the magazine.

The Rifle, No7 Mk1 (Converted from No4 rifles by BSA) had a BSA .22 magazine adapted and built into an SMLE magazine fitted to the rifle, made in about 1948.

Then you go way back to the .22 Short Rifle MkIII which was approved in 1912 and the .22 Pattern 14 No1 .22 trainer approved in 1914. These were the only two rifles approved to use the Parker Hiscock magazine, which was introduced in 1915 and then declared obsolete and ordered returned for disposal in 1920.
Thousands of the magazines were made but few remain today...
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Re: SMLE .22 trainer

#18 Post by Alan De Enfield » Fri Jun 16, 2017 3:25 am

Techsupport wrote:
Fri Jun 16, 2017 2:11 am
There has been a couple made to feed .22LR from the magazine.

The Rifle, No7 Mk1 (Converted from No4 rifles by BSA) had a BSA .22 magazine adapted and built into an SMLE magazine fitted to the rifle, made in about 1948.
Correct (as would be expected from you)
The No7 Mk1 (not to be confused with the CNo7Mk1) was produced by BSA on a contract for the RAF.
2000 were ordered but not all were assembled and still some actions (without ejectors and modified bolt heads) turn up in the USA. Brian Dick had several and had the necessary parts manufactured some years ago.

The magazine insert is a standard BSA "Sporting 5" magazine which has its mechanism inverted and then fitted into the SMLE magazine, giving the ONLY magazine fed, production built .22rf Enfield rifle.
One recently sold in auction in the UK for GBP £2850 (about US$ 3500) they are a 'rare beast'.
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Photo 1 = Special Ejector plate.
Photo 2 = Bolt head & magazine installed
Photos 3 & 4 = BSA 'standard magazine' Vs the 'inverted' magazine for the No7
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Re: SMLE .22 trainer

#19 Post by indy1919a4 » Fri Jun 16, 2017 4:52 am

Techsupport wrote:
Fri Jun 16, 2017 2:11 am
There has been a couple made to feed .22LR from the magazine.

The Rifle, No7 Mk1 (Converted from No4 rifles by BSA) had a BSA .22 magazine adapted and built into an SMLE magazine fitted to the rifle, made in about 1948.

Then you go way back to the .22 Short Rifle MkIII which was approved in 1912 and the .22 Pattern 14 No1 .22 trainer approved in 1914. These were the only two rifles approved to use the Parker Hiscock magazine, which was introduced in 1915 and then declared obsolete and ordered returned for disposal in 1920.
Thousands of the magazines were made but few remain today...

Parker Hiscock.jpg

Patt14No1 PH 5.JPG
any one know how that lever works on the side of the magazine, I am assuming it helps with the loading but how..

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Re: SMLE .22 trainer

#20 Post by Techsupport » Fri Jun 16, 2017 6:10 am

The lever works against the spring that keeps the follower in the .22 part of the magazine up. Turning the lever pulls the follower down and allows rounds to be put it through the loading slot at the top right of the insert. Once five rounds are loaded, rotate the lever to release the spring.
The lever also doubles as the locking device that holds the internals in the magazine case...

I can stick up pics of the internals in the next day or so if you like.

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Re: SMLE .22 trainer

#21 Post by indy1919a4 » Fri Jun 16, 2017 11:16 am

Techsupport wrote:
Fri Jun 16, 2017 6:10 am
The lever works against the spring that keeps the follower in the .22 part of the magazine up. Turning the lever pulls the follower down and allows rounds to be put it through the loading slot at the top right of the insert. Once five rounds are loaded, rotate the lever to release the spring.
The lever also doubles as the locking device that holds the internals in the magazine case...

I can stick up pics of the internals in the next day or so if you like.
1st thanks for taking the time to explain the details, and please I would love to see the internals of that magazine if you care to do all that work..

After all this may be the closest I get to seeing one... many thanks..

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Re: SMLE .22 trainer

#22 Post by Calfed » Fri Jun 16, 2017 2:24 pm

Thanks, Ts and ADE. Very interesting information and pictures.

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Re: SMLE .22 trainer

#23 Post by Techsupport » Tue Jun 20, 2017 9:28 am

Apologies on the delay getting back to this, but I couldn't find the file with the pics in it.

Here they are, all together, stripped for cleaning, views from both sides and the assembled magazine..
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Re: SMLE .22 trainer

#24 Post by Calfed » Tue Jun 20, 2017 9:33 am

How well does the magazine feed the .22 cartridges?

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Re: SMLE .22 trainer

#25 Post by checkmate19 » Tue Jun 20, 2017 12:52 pm

You guys are killing me here, I the 22 trainers are really cool. I have noticed many of the pics you guys post have alot of markings . It seems a few of my rifles have been scrubbed . Thanks for posting pics.

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Re: SMLE .22 trainer

#26 Post by indy1919a4 » Tue Jun 20, 2017 1:57 pm

Thanks for the detail photos of the magazine, Wow there was a lot of work in that thing..

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Re: SMLE .22 trainer

#27 Post by Woody_be » Tue Jun 20, 2017 2:22 pm

My ishapore lee enfield 22, i can only confirm that they are dead accurate but any small trigger controle mistake result in a wide spread. Also very picky about ammo. I have written all the hight adjustements for each brand of 22. Sometimes 100 meter on the backsight sometimes 400...ImageImageImage

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Re: SMLE .22 trainer

#28 Post by indy1919a4 » Tue Jun 20, 2017 3:40 pm

Woody_be wrote:
Tue Jun 20, 2017 2:22 pm
My ishapore lee enfield 22, i can only confirm that they are dead accurate but any small trigger controle mistake result in a wide spread. Also very picky about ammo. I have written all the hight adjustements for each brand of 22. Sometimes 100 meter on the backsight sometimes 400...ImageImageImage

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WHOA.. the colors of that rifle is breathtaking.. What is that Crest / Markings on the receiver??? I can not make it out

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Re: SMLE .22 trainer

#29 Post by Woody_be » Tue Jun 20, 2017 3:48 pm

Its a bnp crown. British nitro proof mark from birmingham proofhouse.
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Re: SMLE .22 trainer

#30 Post by lifeon2 » Sat Jun 24, 2017 9:19 pm

That would be a great one to have......need another safe though

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