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#241 Post by OLDGUNNER1 » Fri Jun 14, 2019 1:58 pm

https://www.pagosahotsprings.com/

Pagosa Springs down town – This is the biggest tourist attraction in town. The hot springs is billed as the deepest hot springs in the world with a temperature at the surface of 140 degrees. The town is heated with it’s water in the winter but they are just getting around to making some heated green houses for growing vegetables. They say that a lead weight on a wire hits the side of the spring at just over 2000 feet and won’t drop any lower so they don’t know how deep it really is.

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#242 Post by OLDGUNNER1 » Fri Jun 14, 2019 2:16 pm

https://www.bing.com/search?q=a6%20intr ... 968D15656C

Okay, here is the plane that I worked with after I left the F-104 program. It’s claim to fame maybe that it took off with 36 one thousand pound concrete dummy bombs. The B-52’s typical bomb load can be about 64 or so thousand pounds

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#243 Post by OLDGUNNER1 » Fri Jun 14, 2019 2:25 pm

https://www.bing.com/search?q=ford+trim ... =QBRE&sp=1

Here it the first air plane that I have flown in 1938. I have a picture around here somewhere that my mother took of me setting on my dad’s lap in the plane.

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#244 Post by OLDGUNNER1 » Sat Jun 15, 2019 4:06 pm

https://www.avgeekery.com/six-things-yo ... -intruder/

From the F-104’s I went to work on the Grumman A6’s. I spent the full summer of 1966 at the Grumman Calverton plant getting familiar with the Grumman A6’s and then to NAS Norfolk for the Grumman C2-E’s and then arrived at NAS Cubi Point in the Philippines in Dec of 66. I really liked the Philippines and worked there for 21 years. In the video about the A6, it mentions the bombing of the power plant in Hanoi. This was a bombing mission of the A6 in which the bombing computer was programed on board the carrier off Vietnam in which it’s computer flew the A6 from the deck of the carrier to the power plant and dropped the bombs on the power plant. I was not on that carrier at that time. These computers at the time were very basic and as far as I know this was the only time anything this accurate happened.

In 1953, in the Air Force, I went to my first Navigation System maintenance school which was on the Q-13 system on the B-17’s and possible the B-24’s. Actually the Q-13 was not a bombing system but a radar navigation system. The actual bombing sight was called the Norden Bomb Sight.
https://www.bing.com/search?q=norden+bo ... =QBRE&sp=6

A side story about this bombing sight...the famous B-25 raid on Tokyo was to be at an altitude too low for this sight to work and an Air Force guy made a little mechanical version of the optical Norden sight for a dollar something each, this article says 20 cents, and these were used on those B-25’s and nick-named the Mark Twain Sight. http://www.usmilitariaforum.com/forums/ ... bombsight/
I never have gotten around to making one. My version would include ‘all’ of the necessary inputs – more of the Monday Morning Quarter Backing.

Flash Back – to years ago...Wernher von Braun’s Mother...”Varner, you missed school again today.” “Yes, Mama, but only by a few yards.”

I went to a class one time and the instructor was an ex-weapons code writer and told him that I was trying make a cheap Chronometer for measuring bullet velocity and he showed me how to make one from a regular four function calculator and I lost the paper and forgot how. Maybe someone out there can show us how.

Just in passing - - This is an article on the LN-3 Inertial Navigation systems that I worked on at the Litton plant in Beverly Hills and later in the field on the planes. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LN-3_iner ... ion_system

This was actually one of the first Inertial Navigation Systems ever developed and now these use basically the same idea but with more sophisticated inputs, such as Astro inputs as on the SR-71’s.

A funny side story of the SR-71...My daughter got out of high school when I was in the Philippines and went to work at a McDonnell's in Phoenix but being a smarty pants she wanted to prove that she could do the same job as I, and by golly she did. She went to school on the Astro Inertial Guidance System used on the SR-71’s, and got a job with the SR-71’s at Beale AFB in California. One time she came to Okinawa with a squadron of SR-71’s and while there got a hop down to the Philippines for a visit with me. I have a picture of her with a SR-71 some where, I’ll find it

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#245 Post by OLDGUNNER1 » Sat Jun 15, 2019 4:26 pm

https://www.bing.com/images/search?view ... &eim=1,2,6

I found a copy of the SR-71 photo with my daughter here on a youtube. She is just in there – I forget where. And I can’t blow it up right now. When I find the original that she gave me I might be able to do something with it.

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#246 Post by OLDGUNNER1 » Sun Jun 16, 2019 12:08 am

This n’ That....

https://www.nist.gov/news-events/news/2 ... omic-clock

It looks like this clock is your new time standard since 2014. More correctly it is a frequency standard. The regular time duration of an earth day changes all of the time due to the liquid center of the earth slushing around and the friction with our atmosphere but this cesium frequency standard is not effected by this. Another example of a misnomer that is just passed around and most people take for granted, is that our moon has no atmosphere...what nonsense. Of course our moon has an atmosphere, it is just less than here on our earth. When one hears someone say this, asked them just where do they think that our atmosphere quits, at what altitude? Our atmosphere doesn’t just magically disappear at a certain altitude.
I started working with the HP ( Huelet Packard) cesium atomic clock as soon as is came out. Actually they was a time between then and 1999, it says, that the US frequency standard was controlled by the Krypton atom, but not for the US military. They just stuck with the Cesium standard – they were close. The saying that, “It’s close enough for government work,” is correct in this case. Different work area’s have their own accuracy requirements. While I worked in Guam for two years, the navy always wanted to know what time it was and I was tasked with having the correct time any time they asked. Time is used for the basis for correct navigation. At the time their requirement was within 0.040 seconds - that’s 40 milliseconds. A women at the time working at the Naval Observatory in Washington DC calculated the time by observing the stars at night. And she would send a guy to go out around the world to military establishes every so often to check our time standards, and the most that I was ever off from her time was 1.4 microseconds. That’s 1.4 millionths of a second. Actually my time was sent to her every day so any mistake could be caught as soon as possible. This was one of my little side jobs that took 15 minutes every morning. As I said the time varies because the earth slows down by a second every 2 or 3 years and every clock, good clocks, are changed by this one second. It is called a ‘leap second’ year.

https://www.bing.com/search?q=Leap%20se ... 2C70664658

At the time, 1975, I was working for the DoD and someone in the Pentagon thought that one should have to come back to the states from an over sea’s assignment every five years for two years for, “Physiological readjustment,” and I had just completed a 5 year tour in the PI. And the navy was having trouble with their time in Guam and blamed a guy at our Guam lab for this trouble, and it was not this guy’s fault at all. It was just one second class sailor who was making the mistake. And the navy being as they are, had no one to figure this out. I was sent to Guam for two years just because of this problem. My new boss in Guam gave me a month to become familiar with the equipment and then pointed to a spot on our lab floor and a said, “Tell me the distance from this spot to the radio tower on the top of the Tokyo Tower in Japan." It took me 15 minutes and I did it only once because I had confidence in the equipment and my calculations. I gave him the distance that I got, and he looked at his paper and smiled and said, ‘That’s close enough,” and put the paper back in his pocket. I said “Come on let’s see the paper.” I was 15 inches from the distance from what a Geodetic team from the states got after 7 moonless nights measuring this same distance from there to Tokyo. I remember it was 1800 and some miles. And I later I found out that Guam was moving 3 inches a year on the surface of the earth but it didn’t give the direction.
And during WWll a regular GI wrist watch was all that was necessary to get those bombers from England to Berlin and back.

Can one imagine that the earth is suspected to be all liquid except for 20 miles or so of the crust. I can see other estimates of this distance. That’s how slow the earth has cooled in the past 4.5 billion years. And that is what keeps the hot water coming up every day in town in the hot springs – a lot of hot stuff under us.

I am having trouble with addition to this. I'll just add with a different posting.

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#247 Post by OLDGUNNER1 » Sun Jun 16, 2019 2:37 pm

https://www.nist.gov/pml/time-and-frequ ... ations/wwv

This is where the US Civilian time standard time is broadcasted from. If one wants to know just what time it is in the US, just tune into it. There are crooked stock traders right now on Wall Street that use this to steal millions every day and I understand that it is not curtailed. What they do is delay stock trading information by a few microseconds and buy and sell stock just before it hits the open market by computer. In other words, insider trading by deception. The people that perpetrate this know more about it than the proper authorities.

This is one particular area of the hacking where false information is given out to cause the price changes. This of course has been done long before computer days as standard procedure. Insider trading is what all congressional elections are about. I should not comment further.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/bus ... bb408857a2

Notice near the end where it is mentioned, “...thousands of transactions made in the blink of an eye.” The parties involved have to know the time very closely.

Information on this is pretty well hidden as much as possible and this guy’s explanation may not be clear to most.

https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=st ... ORM=VRDGAR

But for every dollar that the traders make has to come from someone that is not paying attention.

This covers the normal stock delay practice. I can’t find any information right now on the really fast elicit computer trading practice – they do want to keep this information as secret as they can.

https://www.gobankingrates.com/investin ... ck-quotes/

Here is where the US military time comes from. The time standard for the rest of the world is determined by some clocks in Paris.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_St ... bservatory

Mathematics is not an exact science. Everything about it are ‘estimations’. I think that all mathematical formulae give only estimated results, Does anyone know of any mathematics that will give ‘exact’ answerers....I can’t. Mathematics is a ‘paper tool’. In 1967 I started working for the US Navy Metrology Department and did until I retired in 1995. Our group was small, usually about 175 in the field with maybe 12 in the office at Patuxent River Naval Test Center. The Navy Metrology Engineering Center is much larger and more encompassing.

In about 1960 I read a feature article in a scientific magazine...The feature article was titled...’It can’t be proven that 2 plus 2 = 4, but it can be proven that it probable doesn’t’. At the time this was way over my head. Just because it can be written on paper, doesn’t make it so. The gist of this is if one wants to add 2 of anything to 2 more, they must have ’exactly’ 4 of something to start with and this is physically impossible. This will work only on paper. There is a physical rule that there are no two equal things on this earth – they can be close but not exactly equal.

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#248 Post by OLDGUNNER1 » Sun Jun 16, 2019 2:47 pm

https://time.gov/

TIME

Take in consideration of the delay and remember, if you have two clocks, you don’t know what time it is. One can add this to their desk top

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#249 Post by OLDGUNNER1 » Sun Jun 16, 2019 6:09 pm

OLDGUNNER1 wrote:
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_W ... lying_aces

I just came across this list of aerial aces and of course I don’t know the validity of it but, it sure says a lot. To me it indicates that the German air aces that accrued records like this did it because of luck or skill. I realize that the German philosophy was to let the pilots that were good keep right on doing this job as long as they could where the US idea was to bring back the higher aces to the states and teach other pilots in air to air combat skills. But even though that being said, how could all of those German pilots get to 100 to 0, 200 to 0 and 300 to 0 aerial kills without being killed way before this? I will say that ‘luck’ could absolutely, unequivocally be ruled out as for the reason. So that leaves skill. I would think that there was a whole bunch of ‘skill’ involved. Now why did the US, or the other allied counties allow their pilots to go up against these German pilots with ‘apparently’ so ill trained pilots. I realize that our side did destroy the German Air Force due to out-numbering them, and the US pilots were well enough trained, but due to the basic ground rules that our pilots had to adhere to and the Germans pilots didn’t, this allowed that some, a lot, of German pilots just kept right on scoring kills without being hit themselves. And I think that I have the reason why. Years ago I read an article about Hartmann, the one with 352 kills. The article as it was said, Hartmann’s air craft mechanic told him to attach an enemy aircraft only if he had three advantages, altitude, speed and surprise, and Hartmann did just this and started to rack up the kills. And Adolf Hitler had him sent to Berlin so Hitler could congratulate him personally. And Hitler ask him if he could do anything for him and he said yes, Let me go my own way when it comes to attacking enemy aircraft. He told Hitler that he had learned that the three advantage thing had kept him alive and Hitler bought it. He had to be alone and not be with a formation to be a surprise, etc. He could get his altitude more quickly by himself. And when he dived on an enemy plane, he had the speed advantage. If he made the kill, okay, if not he had the speed to keep on going and get the heck out of there and outrun anyone. He had lost the surprise and altitude advantage and he didn’t have to stick around and mix it up with the fighter escorts or enemy fighter formations and take the chance of getting shot down. Anyway he knew that the general way the US ran it’s fighter escorts is that they shouldn’t pursue him and stick with the bombers. He could go around and keep doing this. Now of course all of his situations were not the best but he had this permission to choose his own fighting technique. With the US attitude toward aerial combat this was a no-no. Therefore looking at this list of the German kills I would say that this attitude may have been used by more than just him. No fighter pilot can just have this much luck if they mix it up an enemy fighter. I know enough about flying to understand the merits of this. And I know that the advantage we had was all of these factories here in the states with no bombings to interrupt their cranking out the planes as we did. I had a coworker at Douglas Air Craft that told me that he worked at the Long Beach, California Douglas plant at the time and they were making 10 C-47’s and 3 B-17’s per day, and these factories were all over the US. And I remember his story about there were no factory test flights of the planes. There were Army flight crews that just jumped in after they were gassed up and took off and if they found nothing wrong or too bad with the plane they just flew it off to their assigned field.

It were things like this that allowed these high scoring German aces to keep shooting them down and still lose the war, and of course of all the blunders that Hitler made. What a list, huh?
Just what do you think about this one-sided aerial scoring list?

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#250 Post by OLDGUNNER1 » Sun Jun 16, 2019 6:38 pm

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/new ... lions.html

This is an article on what I was talking about – more clearly explained.

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#251 Post by OLDGUNNER1 » Tue Jun 18, 2019 10:41 am

All of the lead that is being used today use to be Uranium. Yes, every one of your lead bullets use to be Uranium. The Uranium that has been hanging around the longest in the US is fairly concentrated in Utah and northern Arizona and has not gotten around to decaying into lead, but it is everywhere. https://www.bing.com/search?q=decay+of+ ... =QBRE&sp=4

A concentrate area of lead that has been formed years ago is in Missouri. This article says it is the largest concentration of lead in the world. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southeast ... d_District

It is believed by some that your lead will decay into Mercury if you hold on to it long enough, at least theoretically. Don’t hold your breath. They can measure the decay rate of uranium to lead in rocks. That is one way in how they determine the age of rocks. I have some rocks here right now that I picked up here and have determined their age, within a few million years. But by the older method of association.

I have read that, just read, that lead can be returned to uranium if messed around with enough, at least in small amounts, but it is of course easier to just mine the ore. I always keep in mind that there is a whole lot of bum-dope spread around, and the web is filled with stuff that people just write away with and never have to worry about being charged with a crime as writing wrongful information...and there is also a whole lot of people that believe it and pass it on as something as, “Oh so truthful.” I don’t think that there is any cure for this. My dad told me when I was very young that, “Figures don’t lie but liars figure.”
He got it from this....https://www.bing.com/search?q=figures+d ... =QBRE&sp=2

Another example of this is about don’t let any zinc get into one’s lead pot because it will contaminate the lead. What a bunch of misunderstanding. The one’s that say this just don’t understand what they are doing. And this story spread around for the longest time, and then some people just passed it on as gospel without checking in to it. if one would just look at a phase diagram of lead and zinc alloy they could see what they should be doing. I gather that some have come to realize where they have been wrong. And as I say, “No one knows but a small almost infinitesimal amount about anything.” That is why in some states they do not allow so-called expert witnesses to testify in criminal cases, and in some incidents, civil cases. One can hear all of time where a person that is serving a prison term being released just because of an ‘expert witness’ that turns out to be not such an expert witness.

Where to from here.....Why do some people say ‘your’ instead of ‘you are’ or ‘you’re’? I saw a road sign in Arizona one time that read, “Your now leaving xxxxx.” I have forgotten the name of the town...just east
of Quartzite a ways.

I had a Chemistry teacher one time that said that he was one of three that developed Teflon while working for DuPont in the 30’s and I believed him of course. The tittle of the class was ‘Quantum Mechanics’ and used a text book by Linus Pauling. It was all theory with nothing proven. I don’t know if any of that has been proven since then but he sure was a smart guy. There is so much of chemistry that is used but is still just theory. https://www.bing.com/search?q=linus+pau ... sp=1&ghc=1
and https://www.bing.com/search?q=Quantum%2 ... 9104ED5E64

And I just found...https://www.bing.com/search?q=has+quant ... =QBRE&sp=5

And this same teacher on the very first night of his class told us the story of a college dean that was giving a speech to a graduation class.....”You have all spent four years here and learned a lot of facts and only half is true, but the trouble is we don’t know which half is true and which half is not.” He was telling us that whatever he would teach, don’t question it. And as I remember no one did. Yeah, as if someone would disagree with him about Quantum Mechanics.

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https://www.pilotsofamerica.com/communi ... ive.70744/ Go down about half way and you will see the article entitled, “Ok....This is gonna be a very long story that is (is) perfect for this topic.” At some time around this I had an airplane and an Airport manager told me that most of the planes there were using this ‘SLICK 50’ in their planes...I bought some but hesitated in putting it in my plane so I just put it in my vehicle. Dog gone it, it is hard to verify a lot of the things on the web. For some reason I still have a quart left over. I assume, I am pretty sure, that lobbyists got in there and mucked things up and the bottom line is that I don’t know for sure...but the products with the additive are still being sold, except for the motor oil. Just look at Walmart Teflon. I know that it is more slick, but I don’t know if it plugs up oil lines, etc. We know that congress and lobbyists sure have messed a lot of things up. Remember the Speaker of The House, John Boehner that quit and became a lobbyist and earned 40 million his first year? ...at least one source. There is a good youtube about this but the youtube speaker uses some foul language so I shant quote it,

Lobbyist, I know, well again, no one knows anything for sure. I’ll just say I know, that lobbyist killed the sale of Tabmint, an anti smoking gum, and curtailed all of the imported brands containing Silver Acetate that was so effective and easy to use and congress outlawed its sale in the US. Just the other day I saw where the active ingredient is available on line for 50 dollars for 10 grams, enough for maybe 60 treatments. In 1983 I talked to a pharmacist when I saw it for sale and he said that it seemed to be doing the job. It was a brand from Sweden. I had been smoking since I was 18 and tried it – it cost like 19 dollars for 72 pieces of the gum. I used about half of it and in 12 or 14 days I had lost my desire for smoking – it definitely worked for me, and was so subtle and so easy to use, just chew the gum. About that time congress made it illegal to be sold in the US. One can read all of the pertinent information, the negative lobbyist’s information. A year later I started to go with a girl and I would just light her cigarette for her, and sooo...began to smoke again. I thought that this would be a good time to try if I could use the remainder of the gum and stop again...I did and stopped in a couple of weeks and haven’t smoke since. Now I could tell one how to buy the active ingredient and use it to stop smoking but I can’t because of liability reasons of course. But I can tell one that it is all there on the web, the amount in each piece of gum, the whole story. I just checked the other day and apparently it is still for sale in Europe just over the counter like it should be. I don’t know about the sale in Canada. There use to be a brand made in in Denmark also. If all else fails, one can jump on a plane and go to Europe and buy some.
I will see what I can about the sale in Canada. I can tell one the only active ingredient is Silver Acetate and one can read all about the dose amounts on the web. No I am not a chemist but I did take extra chemistry in college just because I was always interested in the subject, and I always thought that it was nice to know a little of what was going around me. My parents bought me a Gilbert Chemistry Set when I was a young kid and I guess this inspired me. I would buy education things for my daughter’s son and she told me one day that he really wasn’t into those types of things, and boy was she right about that. I had just retired and was visiting my daughter and her family in Phoenix and she ask me to stop at a video store so her son could buy a Birthday gift for his dad. He did and came out with a Video Game. He is now and has been for a few years, in the Air Force and his job is keeping track of Russian satellites at Vandenberg AFB. He married a girl in his squadron whose job it is to keep track of US satellites. How some things work out.

If one is interested just look up ‘Anti smoking with Silver Acetate’ You will find the old lobbyist’s negative stories and nothing newer than about 1983. If our government really wanted to, they could cure every military person from smoking for less than a dollar a person. But look at all of the money that would be involved and lost to the tobacco industry. But oh no, let them die of cancer and so forth, besides look at all the retirement payments that they can save when they die early. The 50 dollars was for 10 grams on line – the government would pay whatever. Who knows.

https://pink.pharmaintelligence.informa ... HEWING-GUM

This was part of the lobbyist’s negative input. This says the amount of Silver Acetate was 0.006 grams per piece of gum in Tabmint. The best that I can tell the brand of Tabmint was developed in Europe and later made under License as the name of ‘Chest’ and/or Tabmint by the Edgefield Company in North Carolina.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silver_acetate

I guess this is enough rambling for now.

https://www.carolina.com/specialty-chem ... %20Acetate

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#252 Post by 72 usmc » Tue Jun 18, 2019 3:44 pm

All, this chemistry gives me a headache, reminds me of "Flubber"
To old to fight and to old to run, a Jar head will just shoot and be done with you.

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#253 Post by OLDGUNNER1 » Tue Jun 18, 2019 8:11 pm

That's too bad...it is chemistry that gives one the headache relief and lets their gun go boom.

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#254 Post by OLDGUNNER1 » Tue Jun 18, 2019 9:53 pm

https://www.thoughtco.com/alloy-definit ... ses-606371

Here is an article that I believe....It is written by a PHD. I will assume that she is not a Physiology PHD. Look at her sentence that reads, “The components of alloys cannot be separated using a physical means.” A very simple statement that is very true, I believe. Why do I believe this....because it agrees with everything that I have been taught, and, and...everything that I have seen. I have separated alloys by chemical means. This is probable the most simple method. The alloy is dissolved usually in a acid and using other chemicals to form the different metalic compounds and then separate the metal from that compound. This is done for each metal in the alloy ...and that’s it.

One can see all kinds of other physical methods mentioned in these forums. Now one can believe these other methods or not...that is just the way the world works. It is not illegal to believe them or say them. I think, I think...that some knowledge of chemistry may help one make the correct decision. I saw on TV one time where Newt Gingrich was being interviewed and was asked, “Why do these others disagree with you,” and his answer was, “Look, it is not illegal to be stupid.”

I just saw on the ‘other forum’ where some poster wrote, ‘A way to separate the lead from other metals is to let the melted mixture set for while and the heavier metal will settle to the bottom’. And he is not doing anything illegal, right? I use some odd punctuation ways, I know it. But it is not illegal, I don’t think.

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#255 Post by OLDGUNNER1 » Tue Jun 18, 2019 11:14 pm

Here below is one of my postings that I posted in 2017. I did do that with the Scotch Tape. I didn't shoot the 1873 Trapdoor much, but as I remember I found nothing wrong with using Scotch Tape. I can make all kinds of bullet molds easily without lube grooves, I haven't used the Scotch Tape since then but why not? And I have never tried using the Powder Coating either. All the other ways seem to be so easy. At the time we lived in northern Minnesota on Leech lake and I went out on the frozen lake one night with the Trapdoor to shoot wolves. Bounty on the wolves was 25 for females and 20 for cubes and males. And they would run across the lake in packs. And along came a pack maybe 600 or more yards away, it was a moonless night and I just saw this dark blur going across the snow. I fired maybe 3 shots, and thought wait a minute, there was a foot and half of snow on the ice and I realized that I wasn't going to walk through that snow way out there just to see if I hit one. And I never tried that again.

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Hi sowbelle - I would think so. When I first heard of this new thing of 'powder coating' bullets a few years ago, I thought, are they talking about this super durable paint job stuff on outdoor equipment and such things...surely that can't be it. That stuff is harder than the dickens, it can be used to sharpen a knife blade. But well we know that I was sure wrong. I say that those that use it are sure lucky that they can't get it to go on there well enough to wear out the bores 'too' fast. But I am sure that they are getting a Lapping job really quick....not a lap job that I would think is nice to the sharp rifling edges......but there are thousands out there that are definitely not on my wavelength. So, who am I to say?

When I was 15 making my first cast bullets with my first bullet mold that I made, some one said that hey you don't have any lube grooves, and I said what are lube grooves? He said well you can use paper, so there I was gluing paper stripes on some 45-70 bullets with my Model Airplane Glue. Then I graduated to scotch tape.
Yep, just sayin' :o

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