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#1 Post by Stef242 » Sat Feb 16, 2019 6:28 am

…...nevertheless the milsurp bug still has been busy around here :-)

MAS 36 was the only "planned" one…...the rest: well.....couldn't say no :-)

Top to bottom:
- Ishapore Lee-Enfield 2A1 - made in 1966 - 7,62x51 nato/.308 win
- BSA Lee-Enfield N°1 Mk III* - made in 1918 - .303 british
- Izhevsk hex Mosin Nagant 91/30 - made in 1934 - 7,62x54R
- Israeli K98 - made in 1945 by Brünn/Brno - 7,62x51 nato/.308 win
- MAS 36 - made in 1949 - later on rebarrelled in 7mm08 Rem by a belgian company so they could be sold on the french civilian market

Will post more pix of each one later on in the right forum area.
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#2 Post by indy1919a4 » Sat Feb 16, 2019 2:26 pm

wow, I like tha MAS in 7mm08, did not know they did that... When were those converted, and when were they sold in France??? So to be stupid here was 7.5mm ammo not available in France??? I would have thought that if you could find it anywhere it would be France and Syria..

By the way more pictures of the Izzy please... :)

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#3 Post by Stef242 » Sat Feb 16, 2019 7:36 pm

indy1919a4 wrote:
Sat Feb 16, 2019 2:26 pm
wow, I like tha MAS in 7mm08, did not know they did that... When were those converted, and when were they sold in France??? So to be stupid here was 7.5mm ammo not available in France??? I would have thought that if you could find it anywhere it would be France and Syria..
I think they were rebarrelled somewhere in the early nineties. If I remember correctly (I'm belgian, not french :-) ): in France they used to have a distinction between "hunting calibers" and "war calibers": a civilian wasn't allowed to own guns in war calibers. They changed the law in 2018 or 2017, so now the french can own stuff like a MAS 36 in the original caliber. Nothing to do with availability of ammo, just distinction between calibers.
Mine was rebarrelled by a belgian company called Dekaise (which still exists btw), they used belgian Delcour-barrels for it: properly done, no butcher job and quality barrels. They also exist with french Arcom-barrels in 7mm08.

In Belgium a lot of MAS 36 were rechambered in 7,5x55 swiss back in the day, more or less for the same reason as the french: some calibers were considered here for a "combat/war" -gun and needed a special permit back then......so a lot of military surplus rifles were rechambered in "civilian/hunting" calibers and that made them easier to sell on the civilian market.
Later on laws changed and it doesn't matter anymore now.
Also saw a couple of MAS 36 for sale in .300 savage: same reason as above. Did some further googling, they also exist in .243 win.

Anyway, first wanted to buy a MAS in the original caliber but they're very hard to find here and if you find them they are rather pricey. Ammo availability of affordable 7,5 french is another thing, so I decided to buy this one in 7mm08 Rem, way cheaper and less problems to get factory ammo (I'm not a reloader).
indy1919a4 wrote:
Sat Feb 16, 2019 2:26 pm
By the way more pictures of the Izzy please... :)
Will do :-)
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#4 Post by indy1919a4 » Sat Feb 16, 2019 7:48 pm

Wow.. thanks for sharing.. I had no idea that the MAS 36 was rebarreled in those calibers..

If you would feel comfortable, may I ask what one of these rebarreled rifles sell for over where you live?? And also what one in 7.5mm would cost??? I can say I have never seen those over here and would have not believed this caliber conversion before today.

1000 thanks for sharing this

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#5 Post by Stef242 » Sun Feb 17, 2019 4:47 am

I paid 350 euro/395 dollar for mine, came with an original sling and one 20-piece box of factory ammo. There's a gunshop here that has one for sale in .300 savage, he wants 250 euro/280 dollar for it (but then again: factory .300 savage costs here about double of 7mm08 factory ammo).
I've seen rechambered ones in 7,5x55 swiss for prices ranging from 250 euro/280 dollar to 600 euro/675 dollar.
Then, one in original caliber (7,5 french): been asking around for nearly one year: 2nd hand impossible to find. There's one dealer around here who has MAS 36s from time to time: 2 years ago his asking price was 750 euro/845 dollar, but seeing his current high pricing for other milsurps I expect that that price is no longer true…...if he ever gets them back in: he expected a delivery end of 2018 but so far they haven't showed up.

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#6 Post by indy1919a4 » Sun Feb 17, 2019 1:08 pm

Many thanks for the details, Those would be odd ducks over here on this side of the pond. (at least with the shows and people I hang around with)

Hey do you guys have a gunbroker or armlist that you can trade with in a national setting.. or are most transactions dealer to buyer via shows and stores???
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#7 Post by indy1919a4 » Sun Feb 17, 2019 1:11 pm

dup sorry
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dupe sorry

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#9 Post by Stef242 » Sun Feb 17, 2019 2:49 pm

indy1919a4 wrote:
Sun Feb 17, 2019 1:08 pm
Hey do you guys have a gunbroker or armlist that you can trade with in a national setting.. or are most transactions dealer to buyer via shows and stores???
Unfortunately no gunbroker or armlist here. In Belgium it's actually forbidden for private citizens to sell firearms online and offer firearms for sale online. Gunstores are allowed to advertise online though, but most of the belgian gunstores don't have a decent or an up to date website.

So for gunstores best is to give them a call or pass by regularly if you're looking for something particular or if you want to be lucky with an "accidental" find (the Izhevsk 91/30 was one of those: paid 100 euro/110 dollar for it at a gunstore nearby).

As a private citizen you can buy or sell firearms directly between private citizens.....paperwork depends on your legal status as a firearms owner: sportshooter, firearm collector, recreational shooter......there are different procedures to follow for each status. Main thing is: how do you know someone is selling something? Someone can hang out a "for sale"-ad in your club but a lot can also be found by just talking with fellow shooters (especially the older ones), keeping your ears open and letting people know you're interested in "old mauser style rifles" :-) ...... it's also not illegal to place a "wanted"-ad online, that's how I found the MAS 36.

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