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Turkish Forestry Carbine

#1 Post by vandle » Thu Jun 08, 2017 8:08 am

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Many of you have seen pictures of my Turkish Forestry Carbine
but thought I throw it back up.
Sort of fits in between the French and Turkish sections but thought to stay neutral

Very brief outline is that after WW2 the Turkish Forestry needed a firearm to
arm their staff to counter the increase in theft of timber in the Government
owned forests. Turkey had surplus Berthier rifles and these were converted into
carbines using some mauser parts along the way.

General consenus is that around 5000 units were produced.
Hope I got that right :pray:
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#2 Post by vandle » Thu Jun 08, 2017 8:15 am

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#3 Post by DWM » Thu Jun 08, 2017 9:45 am

Ian at Forgotten Weapons did a video on one a few years ago. They seem to have been a great solution to the problem at hand. Your example looks great.
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#4 Post by vandle » Sat Jun 10, 2017 6:40 pm

Thanks for the heads up on the video, i will try and find it on nube tube
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#5 Post by shoggoth80 » Thu Jun 15, 2017 4:35 pm

How's the recoil on that shortened Berthier? Great looking piece, and very different.

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#6 Post by indy1919a4 » Thu Jun 15, 2017 9:24 pm

1st these are wonderful rifles... they are a blast to shoot...I do not think there is any deference in shooting these then a regular long Berthier or a Carbine Berthier, But I have to ask does anyone know why the turks converted the rifles to this form????

Some one had to come up with the design and then pay have the older Berthiers modified.. Considering these were none standard rifles, for good reason, why not just hand out the Berthiers... Now I can see the value of this carbine over the longer barrel Berthiers trekking though the woods.. I am real impressed by how much money Turkey must have spent converting arms in those days..

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#7 Post by dynachrome » Fri Jun 16, 2017 12:11 am

"does anyone know why the turks converted the rifles to this form????"

Supposedly so thieves could not make away with the Turkish walnut forest wood. If the thieves did acquire a forest carbine , it was in an odd caliber and was pretty useless to them.
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#8 Post by dynachrome » Fri Jun 16, 2017 12:13 am

And here is mine. a bit of a beater, but a good rifle:
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#9 Post by indy1919a4 » Fri Jun 16, 2017 4:46 am

dynachrome wrote:
Fri Jun 16, 2017 12:11 am
"does anyone know why the turks converted the rifles to this form????"

Supposedly so thieves could not make away with the Turkish walnut forest wood. If the thieves did acquire a forest carbine , it was in an odd caliber and was pretty useless to them.
There has to me more to it, or why not just hand the Forest Rangers the original Berthiers and tell them to have at it... And save all those modification costs..

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#10 Post by dynachrome » Fri Jun 16, 2017 4:35 pm

"more to it,"


The clips were hard to obtain, also. Liberty Tree Collectors have some of the proper 3 rounders. the 5 round ones will fit but stick out.

https://www.libertytreecollectors.com/p ... ategory=75
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#11 Post by Tidewater_Kid » Sun Jun 18, 2017 10:09 pm

Nice looking carbines. I have one too!
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Re: Turkish Forestry Carbine

#12 Post by vandle » Mon Jun 19, 2017 7:30 pm

shoggoth80 wrote:
Thu Jun 15, 2017 4:35 pm
How's the recoil on that shortened Berthier? Great looking piece, and very different.
The recoil is ok, not overly excessive, not much different to any other 8mm carbine

Its fun to shoot and accuracy is ok.
And they are a little different.
Good thing about it is that the 3 round clip reproductions are available for these
locally.
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Re: Turkish Forestry Carbine

#13 Post by S.B. » Mon Oct 16, 2017 7:02 pm

Caliber, please?
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#14 Post by vandle » Mon Oct 16, 2017 7:54 pm

S.B. wrote:
Mon Oct 16, 2017 7:02 pm
Caliber, please?
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Hi Steve

They are 8x50r Lebel

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Re: Turkish Forestry Carbine

#15 Post by vandle » Mon Oct 16, 2017 8:01 pm

indy1919a4 wrote:
Fri Jun 16, 2017 4:46 am
dynachrome wrote:
Fri Jun 16, 2017 12:11 am
"does anyone know why the turks converted the rifles to this form????"

Supposedly so thieves could not make away with the Turkish walnut forest wood. If the thieves did acquire a forest carbine , it was in an odd caliber and was pretty useless to them.
There has to me more to it, or why not just hand the Forest Rangers the original Berthiers and tell them to have at it... And save all those modification costs..
The only theory I can come up with that the long rifles were unwieldy if you had to chase poachers through the forest and a carbine was much more practical.

You would assume that the Turks only had long rifles to begin with.

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