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Greek Mannlicher 1903/14

#1 Post by vandle » Sun Oct 29, 2017 7:41 am

I recently came across this 1903/14. Its in reasonable condition and since you don't come across these often, I grabbed it.
I have not had a chance to pull it apart to look at it in detail.

It does not have the Greek Crest but this does not come as a surprise as many of the Greek contract rifles didn't make it to
Greece when WW1 broke out. Many were absorbed in secondary units with the Austrians. Greece stayed neutral until 1917
when they joined the Allies. 1903s were given to Greece after the war as part of War repatriations.

A couple of unusual things about this particular rifle is that the timber is from an earlier 1903. It has the short hand guard and the
grasping groove has a upturned groove towards the rear. It also has no stacking hook.
Another abnormality is that usually you find manufacturer and year on the left hand side of the receiver. This one doesn't so
i'm not sure if this is a steyr or a breda.
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Re: Greek Mannlicher 1903/14

#2 Post by vandle » Sun Oct 29, 2017 7:46 am

Its most likely a arsenal refurb as these old girls needed to stay in service due to limited numbers due to attrition.
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Re: Greek Mannlicher 1903/14

#3 Post by vandle » Sun Oct 29, 2017 7:51 am

The most prominent feature of these rifles is the rotary magazine.
These rifles are the only bolt action rifle adopted by any nation with this feature.
Seen as being a complicated design, it was only adopted by Greece.
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#4 Post by vandle » Sun Oct 29, 2017 7:58 am

What was a surprise was finding a letter under the butt plate.
I'm in the process of getting it interpreted but so far its from the
Greek Red Cross telling the man he has a package waiting for him.
The letter has his name, rank, his unit and place where he was stationed.
Its also dated 1938.
No big war secrets in this letter but all the same its interesting.
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#5 Post by Miller Tyme » Sun Oct 29, 2017 3:41 pm

Nice rifle and a great surprise find sir.

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Re: Greek Mannlicher 1903/14

#6 Post by Roy mcleod » Sun Oct 29, 2017 4:38 pm

vandle;
Nice rifle, A collectors prize!!
love that rotary magazine!! this type rifle. was adopted, by Mannlicher-Schoenaur model 1961.
A world wide famous sporting rifle, made in many calibers. I, have a nice M/S and a 1903/14 rifle
and carbine in my collection.
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Re: Greek Mannlicher 1903/14

#7 Post by Rapidrob » Sun Oct 29, 2017 5:49 pm

How is the bore?
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Re: Greek Mannlicher 1903/14

#8 Post by vandle » Sun Oct 29, 2017 6:19 pm

Hi Rapidrob

The bore is better than I thought it would be.
Rifling is good maybe 6/10
grooves are a little dark though
The barrel was filled with grease.

Ran a couple of patches through to
check the rifling.

Its a little dirty but should clean up ok.
Hopefully shoot the rest of the gunk out.

Loading some ammo for it this week so hopefully
take it out to the range to see how it goes.

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#9 Post by Rapidrob » Mon Oct 30, 2017 10:30 pm

Why the Greek rifles bores are so bad I just don't get. I've only seen one carbine with a very good bore.
With the bore so worn,you may have much better luck with .266-8 bullets over .264.
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#10 Post by vandle » Tue Oct 31, 2017 7:35 am

Ive got both .264 & .266 pills so I will experiment with both.
Thanks for your advice.
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Re: Greek Mannlicher 1903/14

#11 Post by Rapidrob » Sun Nov 05, 2017 8:05 pm

I pulled mine out of the vault and loaded up some .268 and .262 bullets ( yes .262 land riding) I used a max load of IMR-4350 under a 160 grain round nose bullet.
I re-crowned the muzzle yesterday and thought I'd try the rifle at 385 yards today. Not impressive. While I was able to hit the target some rounds would strike low under the target ( .268) for no apparent reason. At least the bullets were no longer tumbling as before.
The .262 bullets shot a lot better than I thought they would. While I did not hit the target ( turkey) they were close to it. The bore is dark with strong lands.
The rifle has nice wood and bluing but the abused bore is it's down-side.
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#12 Post by Reverend Mauser » Wed Nov 22, 2017 9:17 am

That's a neat old gun, Vandle.

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Re: Greek Mannlicher 1903/14

#13 Post by vandle » Thu Nov 23, 2017 5:21 am

I'm wrapped with it.
They are very well made and the action is very smooth.
The metal work under the timber was almost flawless.

It has become one of my favourites in my collection.

and its design is different from most
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Re: Greek Mannlicher 1903/14

#14 Post by vandle » Wed Dec 06, 2017 2:38 am

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Please note this is a loose interpretation of the letter.
Some of it was not able to be translated due to the handwriting.

"Sunday 23rd February - Day Time

Soldier leaving today at 5pm
Tsoumakis Panayiotis class of 1938
Prosecuted?? in the town of Koroni??
I'm leaving for the area of Soufli between the 26th and 27th
I"m living in Serres from the town of upper Mitrousi
Who ever opens the parcel must write me a letter
I am stationed at the 89th Battalion Infantry TT 980

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Re: Greek Mannlicher 1903/14

#15 Post by vandle » Wed Dec 06, 2017 2:48 am

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Another loose translation,

"Greek Red Cross Letter Head
Postal Message

Request Victory and Freedom
Requesting Greek Army
Requesting Greek Guns
Requesting Allies
This Greek soldier is requesting Greek guns
that create miracles.

Greek Army is above all."

Sounds very patriotic I think
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