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Alvin York movie

#1 Post by Hippycrowe » Tue Jun 26, 2018 12:30 pm

I watched the movie about Alvin York during WW1 made in 1941 I saw that they got most of the millitary stuff right but one thing I noticed was the 1903 Springfield rifles had what looked like the 1902 Krag rear sights not the 1905 Springfield sight. My question is why was that. I know they used Lugar pistols becuse the 1911 would not function with blanks.
I have read York used the 1917 Enfield that does make sense because 75% of the US forces used the 1917 rifle.

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#2 Post by 72 usmc » Tue Jun 26, 2018 5:02 pm

Battlefield Landscapes: Geographic Information Science as a Method of Integrating History and Archaeology for Battlefield Interpretation

Thomas J Nolan 2007
A PhD dissertation on the Alvin C York site. For those that like archaeology. Nuts on report. see this post for active link. http://www.surplusrifleforum.com/viewto ... =87&t=1118

also see http://www.historynet.com/alvin-york-an ... ensive.htm



http://www.worldwar1.com/heritage/sgtayork.htm

I assume it was this movie with Cooper: https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0034167/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sergeant_York_(film)
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Re: Alvin York movie

#3 Post by 72 usmc » Tue Jun 26, 2018 8:51 pm

Upon arriving at Le Havre, the 82nd was issued .30-’06 Sprg. U.S. Model of 1917 “Enfield” rifles.
Here is the corrected link to the American Rifleman article:
https://www.americanrifleman.org/articl ... ican-hero/

Here is a recreation by Lion heart films, a short documentary about Sgt York. 8 min
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ad9FWugOIyM

Here is a "short" of the movie where York, played by Cooper, shoots the Germans:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OzEOcU9VfGQ

A Bio of York on film with some nice pictures:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w7EMzjwMgWA


York's son talking about his dad:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=boDRQxvXaKU
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#4 Post by 72 usmc » Wed Jun 27, 2018 10:07 am

I noticed was the 1903 Springfield rifles had what looked like the 1902 Krag rear sights not the 1905 Springfield sight. My question is why was that.
Do you have a frame shot of that portion of the film? I wonder if the rifles used in the film are some sort of the Bannerman Special Springfields put together/ made from parts ??? They sold lots of parts/modified rifles back in the 1930s-1940s. The catalog had what was called the Springfield specials. I forget the date of the film?
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"Bannerman Special Model 1937" Springfield Rifle

Francis Bannerman Sons was a famous surplus dealer located in New York, operating from shortly after the Civil War until the 1960s. After decades of accumulating huge quantities of surplus parts and trying many clever improvisations, they managed to make complete rifles to be sold at very low prices to cash strapped buyers at the end of the depression. "Low number" Model 1903 receivers being scrapped as potentially unsafe were fitted with barrels of unknown origin. Model 1917 bolts, stocks, and trigger guards were modified slightly to fit. Krag rear sights were welded to early M1903 rear sight bases and shimmed on the barrels. Assorted bands and swivels were used. Very ingenious and profitable, these are probably the oddest of all the 1903 rifles here.
source http://m1903.com/odd1903/
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#5 Post by Hippycrowe » Wed Jun 27, 2018 11:38 am

I wish I had a screen shot I was thinking they might have been Bannerman special rifles. Stocks were the correct fingure groove the Lugar looked right so the the German machine guns it was just that rear sight looked weird on the 1903 he was using.

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#6 Post by luigi » Wed Jun 27, 2018 1:36 pm

The movie "Sargeant York" showed him with a 1903.

http://www.imfdb.org/wiki/File:SY_18.jpg

IMFDB site says he was issued an Enfield 1917

http://www.imfdb.org/wiki/Sergeant_York

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#7 Post by 72 usmc » Wed Jun 27, 2018 7:09 pm

I will have to watch my vhs and see if I can find a view. This view looks pretty much like an intact 03 Springfield? See luigi's excellent link, the second one, for still views of the weapons used in the movie. They appear to be real, intact 03's, but I can not see the sights with my old computer on any close up views. My "03" computer, :lol: 2003 Mac, does not provide micro views. What I see does not appear to be Bannerman rifles. This is a fantastic set of still views found by luigi. THANKS, :clap: :dance: A MUST SEE
:arrow: :arrow: http://www.imfdb.org/wiki/Sergeant_York
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#8 Post by retread12345678 » Wed Jun 27, 2018 10:46 pm

If. I recall there was a scene at the rifle issuance where the soldiers read off the serial numbers as they pulled them from a crate. Any significance in that??

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Re: Alvin York movie

#9 Post by 72 usmc » Wed Jun 27, 2018 11:27 pm

This scene? Even the arsenal box looks real?
SY_5.jpg
SY_4.jpg
movie goofs https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0034167/goofs
An interesting review about the 1941 Movie and its significance in movie production history (this is good):
The War Movie Buff
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Monday, December 31, 2012

#19 - Sergeant York
http://warmoviebuff.blogspot.com/2012/12/
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Re: Alvin York movie

#10 Post by 72 usmc » Thu Jun 28, 2018 10:31 am

I wonder where they also got so many GEW 98s?
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#11 Post by Hippycrowe » Thu Jun 28, 2018 5:01 pm

Those German rifles would have been very rare

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#12 Post by 72 usmc » Fri Jun 29, 2018 1:17 am

Better than the VHS tape is a 2 DVD set.I just ordered one from Amazon. Never seen this at the stores.
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Re: Alvin York movie

#13 Post by Hippycrowe » Fri Jun 29, 2018 12:08 pm

I was watching Skull Island the other day and when Samual Jackson shot the ugly bird with the m14 the scope mount was on the wrong side. Don't ask me why I see this stuff lol

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