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Re: Recover old board posts?

#16 Post by 72 usmc » Tue Jun 19, 2018 2:02 pm

These are copy righted and please do not repost any on the forum direct. :arrow: :snooty: Not even a single picture. It is best to just link to and provide the Wayback as a source for a reference. These are to view only or if you want to print out for your use on the wayback save. This is a no, no in the academic world- like photo copying sheet music or a book rather than buying it. It is always best to find a copy of the CD if possible; they are great, have much more information, and pictures are better quality then seen in the Wayback save. The CD is out of print and is a much sought after item. They do show up on flee bay some times. This old forum, surplusrifles.com, was an incredible source of early information on surplus firearms. The CDs are treasured items for those wise enough to buy them. Whoever has the copyright ownership could make some fast cash if they republished the large CD set. Many of the new collectors are always searching for old sets. :think: :think: They would sell out fast if republished.
Also be advised some of the reference material is early and dated. It may no longer be correct. There are now better references produced by others on specific firearm assembly & reassembly with fantastic photos produced for example by Mowbray Publishing, the publishers of Gun Collector magazine. See their books for sale section. There are now many fine books in print on specific firearms that have sections on assembly & reassembly that were not yet published in 2001. This link was posted as more of a historical perspective to the original forum back in 2002 when it started a surplus rifle craze. Mr Mangrum was a primary figure in the creation of the forum world of information on surplus rifles. :clap:
Copyright 2003, 2004 � Jamie Mangrum

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You may make single copies of the materials available through this website, solely for your personal, noncommercial use, and only if you preserve any copyright or other notices contained in or associated with them. You may not distribute such copies to others, whether or not in electronic form, whether or not for a charge or other consideration, without prior written consent of the owner of the materials.

Requests for permission to reproduce or distribute materials available through this website should be emailed to Jamie Mangrum at the following email address:

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Lapriester a new member just redid these into Pdfs on 19 July 2019. They are super organized and easy to read or print out. He must be a computer wizard. So see this link if you need to view the old data :
viewtopic.php?f=52&p=22771#p22771

His internal link to Pdf drop box:
https://www.dropbox.com/sh/kh9guf4wvgqt ... jVKra?dl=0
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Re: Recover old board posts?

#17 Post by 72 usmc » Tue Jun 19, 2018 3:16 pm

Now if you are curious, here is a link on internet vs printed student references for citing internet sources. It will bore you to death. Instructors dislike internet sources in academic papers.
https://ctl.yale.edu/writing/using-sour ... et-sources

On the forum use referenced "text" as a quote in a quote box, provide the source as a link, provide author, date, and title,and the name of the other forum. Do the same for reposted photos. For books do it like an academic paper.
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Re: Recover old board posts?

#18 Post by 72 usmc » Wed Dec 12, 2018 9:41 am

Re: Photobucket's racket !
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#7 Post by Ghoulardi » Sun Jul 09, 2017 12:50 pm

here is what PHOTOBUCKET is doing;


Late last month, Photobucket changed its policy so that if you want to host your photos there and post them to another website — your eBay seller page, or perhaps your blog or website — it’s going to cost you $400.

https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/ka ... .piN5Z6bAw

I'm sure that there will be a lot of people that will pay the 400 dollar fee. but there will be far, far more (millions) that will dump them and look for other hosting sites like the original poster. which will make the other hosting sites bulging at the seems with new users.

just hope that what PHOTOBUCKET is doing doesn't catch on and other sites start charging to host photos
http://www.surplusrifleforum.com/viewto ... f=53&t=768


If you see certain images on the Wayback Machine this is what they mean. Picture integrity on the old SRF has to do with not originally posting by the forum method. Most used Photobucket to post photos because it was easy & free for 10-13 years. In July of 2017 they started their pay to play services so you now see deleted missing photos or if you paid for the service, the old Photobucket photos reappear and you see a photo with a photobucket logo marking like this:
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Now if you used photo bucket and never paid after 2017, your photos were removed and you see either of these first two images instead of your photos. if you used another photo hosting company and it went down or you removed/deleted your photos you may see something like the third flickr warning in the forum.
This is the general situation and why so many pictures are missing in the archive.
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If you actually used the old forum method and attached a photo your photos remain intact on a Wayback search and you see this:
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Other photos just appear as a photo and remained intact on the old Wayback archives. Other hosting agents may have been utilized or they were posted as a picture not an attachment by the old forum method. The key is they generally were posted by the forum method not Photobucket.

As for the new forum it is best to use the forum method to post or attach photos. Some also use flicker or photobuccket as well as others. But if the account goes dead or a photo is removed then the image posted on the current forum goes away and a box with a question mark shows up. So please post photos directly by the forum method so they remain in place as reference material important to the post's discussion.

One hint, if you compile a restored former post or write a new significant research post, or just some really informative post. PLEASE SAVE IT ON THE WAYBACK MACHINE for the new forum. If you do this it will be saved in the archive. Also if you have the means, please help donate to maintain the Wayback archives. It is a free service, but still need funds like our forum to be maintained & run.
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Re: Recover old board posts?

#19 Post by 72 usmc » Sun Feb 03, 2019 9:41 pm

WAYBACK MACHINE ARCHIVE

I want to inform readers and members to be sure to save their very important/informative SRF posts that they write or find especially significant due to the photo documentation or written descriptions on the WAYBACK MACHINE Internet Archive. They will be saved only because you thought them special enough to save. Photos posted by the forum method & preserved as part of the SRF forum archive will be saved in the posts that are maintained by the Wayback Archive. However, if the post has photos saved by secondary sources, these photos may or may not be survive depending on if the author maintains/pays for his or her photo service. If that is cut off or stopped, all non forum fixed photos ( not posted through the forum method) will be lost even though they were saved on the Wayback Machine Archive. Most did not realize that a loss of photos occurs if the secondary source, in this case the very popular photo bucket, changes policy. While the pre crash old SRF forum posts are archived and the written information survived, 50% of the photos are gone. The old photos posted using the most popular & easy to post, free photo bucket were removed in all places. Most did not realize they would not be saved. THEREFORE TO AVOID this loss, PLEASE post all photos utilizing the SRF forum method. That way your great posts will remain intact.

Did I mention to please post your photos by the SRF forum method?

So this is how to save a significant post on the WAYBACK MACHINE ARCHIVE.


1) You can find the link to the Wayback Machine Archive here:

https://archive.org/web/

Go to this above link and open the page to the Wayback Archive. You should see this page:
insert photo 1
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2) On the SRF forum highlight the web page link URL ( WWW.———-) for the post that you want to save so you can copy it and then paste it into the Wayback Archive page. COPY IT.
The forum page should be highlighted on the above red checked line and look like this on a Mac.
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3) On the Wayback Machine archive page you will see in the lower right hand corner a line that states “SAVE PAGE NOW” an empty box to paste the SRF URL into the line with “http://“ and a SAVE PAGE box to click on.
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Paste the SRF URL address (that you copied from the forum) for the post you want to save into the Wayback Machine Archive in the Box under “SAVE PAGE NOW” It will look like this when pasted in. You only see a portion of the total URL address.
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4) Click on the SAVE PAGE box to start the save process.
You will see a blue progress bar at the top of the page
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#20 Post by 72 usmc » Sun Feb 03, 2019 9:48 pm

Then you will see a white box outlined in black that states
“Saving Page Now”, Then a second box will show /flash “Loading Saved Page”. This can happen fast or slow depending on how many photos or pages are being saved. The longer the post, the slower the save proceeds.
Photos 6 Saving Page Now
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5) When the save to the Wayback Machine Archive is completed, you will see page 1 of the SRF post you saved. At the top, it will have an information Bar from the Wayback Machine for the post you just saved that provides the following information ( see lower photo of an example from my saved “Aim Mosins" post:
photo 8 COMPLETED PAGE VIEW
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The information bar found at the top of the page shows the URL address of the saved SRF post at the top. An example is shown in photo 9 below. At the left it shows in blue how many saved captures of this specific SRF post are saved on the Wayback Machine.
To the right is a yellow box with a red line showing the current save, and in the black box is the current date (Feb 03 2019) of the save that you just completed and are viewing.
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Below is another example (photo 10) of the Wayback information bar from another SRF forum save, but this example shows that this specific SRF post has been previously saved 14 times with the black lines indicating saved locations that you can “click on” to find earlier versions of the same SRF post that were saved between 2011 to 2019. To view an older version, just click on the black line to move to different times.
photo 10 14 saves of the same post during different times/versions
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#21 Post by 72 usmc » Sun Feb 03, 2019 9:51 pm

The next example shows two posts of the same SRF forum post: one on May 13 2019 (See Black line, click on it to see the earlier version) and your current save in the yellow box with the red line dated as the present save on Feb. 3 2019. Photo 11 below is from the latest save you just made on Feb 3 2019.
photo 11 \Two saves of the same post
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Now the bad news. This saves the first page, if there are 2 pages you have to save the second page by its URL address. If there are 3 pages the same. Each page needs to be saved because each SRF forum post page has its own individual URL. Most posts contain less than 3 pages. See the bottom right hand corner of the SRF post in the forum to see how many pages make up the entire SRF post. It is the same for printing out a post, each page must be printed separately in order to print out an entire post with multiple pages. You see this page counter in the lower right corner:
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So in conclusion, it is easy to archive your old significant post or any post you think worthy of saving. If the forum should go down and some information is lost, the SRF post is still saved on the Wayback Machine Internet archive.
See this information about the Wayback Machine:

https://www.lifewire.com/wayback-machine-3481829
https://archive.org/about/
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#22 Post by 72 usmc » Sun Feb 03, 2019 10:10 pm

One important note, others may have saved a particular post prior to your wanting to also save a SRF POST. So it is best to do a Wayback search in order to see if the SRF Post has been recently saved. This avoids taking up too much memory. However, if you see that an earlier SRF saved post is outdated and a greatly expanded version is now on the forum: please up date and Save the new version of the old or new "Greats". Always check the Browse History if you are unsure of a Wayback Archive possible save. A case in point, I noticed that many of Miller Tymes's great photo documentations of his many rifles were not saved. That is hundreds of excellent photos; well, I spent 2 hours saving to the archive and printing out his excellent rifle examples that I wanted. They are too good to lose. :shhh: It is always best to have a paper copy if you really value the information others post. There is some great stuff on this forum.
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#23 Post by 72 usmc » Sun Mar 31, 2019 5:10 pm

How to access Clasified section :arrow: ;) new members with few posts
see this link: http://www.surplusrifleforum.com/viewto ... 615#p20615
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#24 Post by Roy mcleod » Sun Mar 31, 2019 6:44 pm

Thanks everyone!!
This is very valuable info!!
MANY times, I thought about locating some special OLD postings.
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#25 Post by 72 usmc » Thu Oct 24, 2019 10:55 am

Photo buck is placing a logo water mark on photos... "we overlay a “proudly hosted on Photobucket” watermark on all images that are displayed"
Most of the time it obliterates the fine details shown in the photo. My suggestion, Please post through the forum method. It avoids the logo marks and preserves the photos locked into the forum and will stay intact in the Wayback Machine saves if the forum should crash. In the old SRF loss, only photos fixed through the forum survived in the Wayback Machine saves. All photos from secondary agents were lost. :idea:
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And if the account goes dead all photos are gone that you posted and readers see:
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Here is what is going on: https://blog.photobucket.com/articles/w ... -free-free

:arrow: :shifty: Nov 2019 up date. I have noticed on the old posts, after, say a few months, that the Photo Bucket source photos go fuzzy and become unclear and unless, but still have the watermark! So while they are still active in an account, they are not clear like first posted. I am not sure why this occurs with older posted photos done by Photo Bucket.
DO NOT USE PHOTO BUCKET- please use the forum method so your photos become part of the record. They will stay intact and clear as shot. Your photos are an important resource to the forum- people want to see and refer to them. The old posts are always an import resource base for knowledge. Your photos of example are key. Avoid this :
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#26 Post by 72 usmc » Thu Oct 24, 2019 4:36 pm

So here is how to post a photo. Mac computer is used in this example. No PC. This is through the forum not with a secondary source. Your pic will be permanently fixed to the forum and not disappear. Someone else can write up how to post through a secondary source like photo bucket or image gru.

The working Link is here with pictures . They( the images ) did not work in the copy & paste I just placed here.
Please give me some time and I will correct this. {(Corrected and photos show up) This has updated info.} Original SRF post link on how to post a photo (page 2) old version; viewtopic.php?f=25&p=24261#p24261



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Do not pay for photo bucket. Their pictures have a logo on them that looks bad and if the account goes down or ends the photos disappear form the history of the forum and the post is useless. Your photos are important records to other readers. See this post:

viewtopic.php?f=79&t=2203
Post your photos by the forum method. You have a 5 limit per reply. However, you just add a another reply with 5 photos for each entry/reply. Put/store your photos on the desk top, a file, or cloud. Then Use the forum method to post, record, and save the picture in a permanent storage on the forum- the pics stay in the text.

How to do this. I always wanted a mod to write this, but here is a try at it as a tutorial. :shhh: :doh:

When writing a new post, Go below and you will see the Options/Attachments box.
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Click on Attachments. You should see this:
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Click on the Add files box. You should see this. It will show you the files on the computer and look different on each computer. I have a Mac. I store photos that I want to post on the desk top or in a file on the desk top. You must select the location on your computer of the files you stored that contain the photo location so you can access them, For example, "DESK TOP" This lower photo shows 6 files and two individual photos. I can select one photo or I can select a file and then it opens so I can select a single photo within the file that is stored on my desk top.
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Next click on the photo of the file or single picture of the photo you want that is shown on the computer screen. After a file is opened it will show all the photos inside the file as single photos. Or you will just see a single photo that was stored on the desk top that is not in a file. You must select the single photo you want to use in the text/post and it is then highlighted and ready to be Choosen/selected for use to post. This lower photo shows an open file with all of its original photos. The first row, top has the left side first photo highlighted and ready to hit the choose button.
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In the lower right corner of the screen display you will see a display box that has Cancel or Choose. Select/hit the Choose button to select the highlighted photo. The Cancel button removes the box on the computer's screen back to normal -like you did not select any photo or hit the File button.

After hitting Choose you will see a FILE NAME box appear with an image code in it, for example IMG 1346JPG
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Notice I have 5 photos selected at this point in my post that you are now reading here. This is my limit, so I have to post what I have and continue my text & photos in a second reply in order to post more step by step instructions & photos. If you just had, say a collection of 16 photos, it would take 4 replies to post all 16 photos due to the five photos per reply limit. If you are writing an essay with lots of text and instructional photos, you are only limited in text length by the number of photos you use. After five photos are utilized, you need to make a new reply in order to post the next photo # 6. It is best to make text breaks with associated photos at new headings or paragraphs. If you use no photos, the text can go on and on, and on, in one long post/reply.
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#27 Post by 72 usmc » Thu Oct 24, 2019 5:13 pm

I am continuing instructions in this second reply because I reached my five photo limit in the first post and I am not done posting example photos.
I have to be in the Full edit mode to post photos.

So instructions continue.

To add more pictures you go back to the Add files box , click on it, and repeat the selection process till you have 5 or less photos appearing in the lower file box. Select another photo, the second photo is chosen and that adds it to the inventory of selected photos. The lower example photo shows 2 photos in the File Box. Remember ( select the photo on the screen, click on it to highlight it as the selected photo to post, then Hit choose, you can add up to the 5 photo limit).
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After you hit the Choose button again, the second photo appears in the File name box. :arrow: Be sure to check the status box to be sure the file is valid and a GREEN CIRCLE WITH AN ARROW is shown. If its RED you got a bad image for some reason. This will not post unless it is given the GREEN go symbol.
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Now lets post our two selected photos. You can do 1 to as many as 5 in each reply. There is a 5 photo limit for some reason. When you have all the photos selected and they show up with the green arrow status you can post all in one spot, or each individual photo at specific locations in your post. In this post, I posted photos as I needed within the text. I could have posted all the photos at the end in one large group of 5. So first you select a spot in the text of the post with the mouse. Then go down to the file box and select the photo you want to inserted at this position in the text. Hit the Place inline Button and that photo will appear as an attachment code in the text at the spot it will be displayed. For example, it will look like this for the above last posted photo. This is what you see "[attachment1]Screen Shot 2019-10-24 at 9.20.30 AM.png[/attachment]" in the text . When you post the message all will see the photo.
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To have a correct order in the pictures that are selected, note that #1 appears at the bottom. The next is above the first entry. Hence, the order is from 1 to 5 going upward toward the top listing. The bottom image is the first selected, and the last image is at the top. See order of selected images. This is the way they show up as you select the first 3.
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So to post photos in the correct order you start at the bottom line's image code, locate the spot in the text, Hit the Place inline button, it shows up as an attachment code. Then move to the next, upper photo image working your way up to the top inserting photos into the text. Use a space, move to the next line if two photos are above and below each other, hit the PLACE IN LINE button. The next photo appears below the other. If it is to be placed lower into the text, select the new position for the next photo with the mouse in the text. Then repeat the process, HIT the place inline button and the next image code should appear in the text where a photo is needed ( the position you selected). To delete a photo just hit the Delete File button.

So this is how I post photos one by one into the text on a Mac. Different computers may show different screen views, and there are short cuts you will learn as you go. However, this is a basic outline of how to post a photo. I most likely will re-edit this so it becomes more clear. What you read is sort off the top of my head.
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#28 Post by 72 usmc » Thu Oct 24, 2019 5:41 pm

For those using a PC maybe someone can post an example of what is seen and how their computer works step by step. :pray:
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#29 Post by 72 usmc » Sun Nov 24, 2019 12:24 pm

As for the video, it's not too difficult, I learned from watching Youtube videos (an I will post the procedure in the general forum when time permits) ....but if you guys do not mind, I will post the basics here for now.

All I used is an iPhone 8 (with the camera setting set to the first 4K setting, the setting past 1080p). If you have a Gmail e-mail address, then you have a Gmail account with 15 gig storage that is included with your account. Download the Google Drive app to your phone, and you can load the video from your phone to your Google drive account. (I use my home wifi to upload, not phone data.) Once the video loads to your Google drive, you have a private video that only you can see. You can then assign the video (and just the video, no other info from your drive) an open link - which you can use to distribute the movie to anyone you wish. Only people that see the link, (or forum post in this case), can view the video. Once I pasted the video link into the post - the vid shows up ready to play within the post - as mine above. Now, I did a little editing from scene to scene with iMovie on my phone (more advanced) but you do not have to use iMovie to pop a video up.

It may sound difficult, but if I can figure out how to do this, anyone with an iPhone can, and if you have kids or grand kids with an iPhone and a Gmail account, they now how to do all of this, ...don't let them fool ya!
A new member Robert (miclic) posted a new post and it had a video within the post instead of individual photos of an Arasaka rifle. I thought that was pretty neat and provided a great amount of clear details of his rifles rather than just a few still photos. Here is his post with that example video:
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How to set up a Gmail account for a Mac or PC : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NXOCa9kzQsk

How to use a Google Drive: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IDWVpHvG5Ok


This is a nice piece of high technology in my mind, so I asked miclic how he did it. He was fast at a reply and wrote out instructions. I am posting these with his knowledge for all to have as a tutorial:


https://docs.google.com/document/d/1uur ... uPmz8/edit


Next are some screen shot views of the tutorial if the link should go down or not work. There are 5 pages. I hope this helps those that might have the more expensive resources. Many thanks to miclic for sharing his knowledge. Below pages enlarge if clicked upon. :dance:
Unfortunately, I still have a rotary phone :violin: :doh:
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To old to fight and to old to run, a Jar head will just shoot and be done with you.

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