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Re: Recover old board posts?

#16 Post by 72 usmc » Tue Jun 19, 2018 2:02 pm

These are copy righted and please do not repost any on the forum direct. :arrow: :snooty: Not even a single picture. It is best to just link to and provide the Wayback as a source for a reference. These are to view only or if you want to print out for your use on the wayback save. This is a no, no in the academic world- like photo copying sheet music or a book rather than buying it. It is always best to find a copy of the CD if possible; they are great, have much more information, and pictures are better quality then seen in the Wayback save. The CD is out of print and is a much sought after item. They do show up on flee bay some times. This old forum, surplusrifles.com, was an incredible source of early information on surplus firearms. The CDs are treasured items for those wise enough to buy them. Whoever has the copyright ownership could make some fast cash if they republished the large CD set. Many of the new collectors are always searching for old sets. :think: :think: They would sell out fast if republished.
Also be advised some of the reference material is early and dated. It may no longer be correct. There are now better references produced by others on specific firearm assembly & reassembly with fantastic photos produced for example by Mowbray Publishing, the publishers of Gun Collector magazine. See their books for sale section. There are now many fine books in print on specific firearms that have sections on assembly & reassembly that were not yet published in 2001. This link was posted as more of a historical perspective to the original forum back in 2002 when it started a surplus rifle craze. Mr Mangrum was a primary figure in the creation of the forum world of information on surplus rifles. :clap:
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Re: Recover old board posts?

#17 Post by 72 usmc » Tue Jun 19, 2018 3:16 pm

Now if you are curious, here is a link on internet vs printed student references for citing internet sources. It will bore you to death. Instructors dislike internet sources in academic papers.
https://ctl.yale.edu/writing/using-sour ... et-sources

On the forum use referenced "text" as a quote in a quote box, provide the source as a link, provide author, date, and title,and the name of the other forum. Do the same for reposted photos. For books do it like an academic paper.
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Re: Recover old board posts?

#18 Post by 72 usmc » Wed Dec 12, 2018 9:41 am

Re: Photobucket's racket !
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#7 Post by Ghoulardi » Sun Jul 09, 2017 12:50 pm

here is what PHOTOBUCKET is doing;


Late last month, Photobucket changed its policy so that if you want to host your photos there and post them to another website — your eBay seller page, or perhaps your blog or website — it’s going to cost you $400.

https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/ka ... .piN5Z6bAw

I'm sure that there will be a lot of people that will pay the 400 dollar fee. but there will be far, far more (millions) that will dump them and look for other hosting sites like the original poster. which will make the other hosting sites bulging at the seems with new users.

just hope that what PHOTOBUCKET is doing doesn't catch on and other sites start charging to host photos
http://www.surplusrifleforum.com/viewto ... f=53&t=768


If you see certain images on the Wayback Machine this is what they mean. Picture integrity on the old SRF has to do with not originally posting by the forum method. Most used Photobucket to post photos because it was easy & free for 10-13 years. In July of 2017 they started their pay to play services so you now see deleted missing photos or if you paid for the service, the old Photobucket photos reappear and you see a photo with a photobucket logo marking like this:
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Now if you used photo bucket and never paid after 2017, your photos were removed and you see either of these first two images instead of your photos. if you used another photo hosting company and it went down or you removed/deleted your photos you may see something like the third flickr warning in the forum.
This is the general situation and why so many pictures are missing in the archive.
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If you actually used the old forum method and attached a photo your photos remain intact on a Wayback search and you see this:
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Other photos just appear as a photo and remained intact on the old Wayback archives. Other hosting agents may have been utilized or they were posted as a picture not an attachment by the old forum method. The key is they generally were posted by the forum method not Photobucket.

As for the new forum it is best to use the forum method to post or attach photos. Some also use flicker or photobuccket as well as others. But if the account goes dead or a photo is removed then the image posted on the current forum goes away and a box with a question mark shows up. So please post photos directly by the forum method so they remain in place as reference material important to the post's discussion.

One hint, if you compile a restored former post or write a new significant research post, or just some really informative post. PLEASE SAVE IT ON THE WAYBACK MACHINE for the new forum. If you do this it will be saved in the archive. Also if you have the means, please help donate to maintain the Wayback archives. It is a free service, but still need funds like our forum to be maintained & run.
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Re: Recover old board posts?

#19 Post by 72 usmc » Sun Feb 03, 2019 9:41 pm

WAYBACK MACHINE ARCHIVE

I want to inform readers and members to be sure to save their very important/informative SRF posts that they write or find especially significant due to the photo documentation or written descriptions on the WAYBACK MACHINE Internet Archive. They will be saved only because you thought them special enough to save. Photos posted by the forum method & preserved as part of the SRF forum archive will be saved in the posts that are maintained by the Wayback Archive. However, if the post has photos saved by secondary sources, these photos may or may not be survive depending on if the author maintains/pays for his or her photo service. If that is cut off or stopped, all non forum fixed photos ( not posted through the forum method) will be lost even though they were saved on the Wayback Machine Archive. Most did not realize that a loss of photos occurs if the secondary source, in this case the very popular photo bucket, changes policy. While the pre crash old SRF forum posts are archived and the written information survived, 50% of the photos are gone. The old photos posted using the most popular & easy to post, free photo bucket were removed in all places. Most did not realize they would not be saved. THEREFORE TO AVOID this loss, PLEASE post all photos utilizing the SRF forum method. That way your great posts will remain intact.

Did I mention to please post your photos by the SRF forum method?

So this is how to save a significant post on the WAYBACK MACHINE ARCHIVE.


1) You can find the link to the Wayback Machine Archive here:

https://archive.org/web/

Go to this above link and open the page to the Wayback Archive. You should see this page:
insert photo 1
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2) On the SRF forum highlight the web page link URL ( WWW.———-) for the post that you want to save so you can copy it and then paste it into the Wayback Archive page. COPY IT.
The forum page should be highlighted on the above red checked line and look like this on a Mac.
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3) On the Wayback Machine archive page you will see in the lower right hand corner a line that states “SAVE PAGE NOW” an empty box to paste the SRF URL into the line with “http://“ and a SAVE PAGE box to click on.
see photo 3
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Paste the SRF URL address (that you copied from the forum) for the post you want to save into the Wayback Machine Archive in the Box under “SAVE PAGE NOW” It will look like this when pasted in. You only see a portion of the total URL address.
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4) Click on the SAVE PAGE box to start the save process.
You will see a blue progress bar at the top of the page
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Re: Recover old board posts?

#20 Post by 72 usmc » Sun Feb 03, 2019 9:48 pm

Then you will see a white box outlined in black that states
“Saving Page Now”, Then a second box will show /flash “Loading Saved Page”. This can happen fast or slow depending on how many photos or pages are being saved. The longer the post, the slower the save proceeds.
Photos 6 Saving Page Now
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photo 7 Loading saved page
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5) When the save to the Wayback Machine Archive is completed, you will see page 1 of the SRF post you saved. At the top, it will have an information Bar from the Wayback Machine for the post you just saved that provides the following information ( see lower photo of an example from my saved “Aim Mosins" post:
photo 8 COMPLETED PAGE VIEW
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The information bar found at the top of the page shows the URL address of the saved SRF post at the top. An example is shown in photo 9 below. At the left it shows in blue how many saved captures of this specific SRF post are saved on the Wayback Machine.
To the right is a yellow box with a red line showing the current save, and in the black box is the current date (Feb 03 2019) of the save that you just completed and are viewing.
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Below is another example (photo 10) of the Wayback information bar from another SRF forum save, but this example shows that this specific SRF post has been previously saved 14 times with the black lines indicating saved locations that you can “click on” to find earlier versions of the same SRF post that were saved between 2011 to 2019. To view an older version, just click on the black line to move to different times.
photo 10 14 saves of the same post during different times/versions
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Re: Recover old board posts?

#21 Post by 72 usmc » Sun Feb 03, 2019 9:51 pm

The next example shows two posts of the same SRF forum post: one on May 13 2019 (See Black line, click on it to see the earlier version) and your current save in the yellow box with the red line dated as the present save on Feb. 3 2019. Photo 11 below is from the latest save you just made on Feb 3 2019.
photo 11 \Two saves of the same post
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Now the bad news. This saves the first page, if there are 2 pages you have to save the second page by its URL address. If there are 3 pages the same. Each page needs to be saved because each SRF forum post page has its own individual URL. Most posts contain less than 3 pages. See the bottom right hand corner of the SRF post in the forum to see how many pages make up the entire SRF post. It is the same for printing out a post, each page must be printed separately in order to print out an entire post with multiple pages. You see this page counter in the lower right corner:
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So in conclusion, it is easy to archive your old significant post or any post you think worthy of saving. If the forum should go down and some information is lost, the SRF post is still saved on the Wayback Machine Internet archive.
See this information about the Wayback Machine:

https://www.lifewire.com/wayback-machine-3481829
https://archive.org/about/
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Re: Recover old board posts?

#22 Post by 72 usmc » Sun Feb 03, 2019 10:10 pm

One important note, others may have saved a particular post prior to your wanting to also save a SRF POST. So it is best to do a Wayback search in order to see if the SRF Post has been recently saved. This avoids taking up too much memory. However, if you see that an earlier SRF saved post is outdated and a greatly expanded version is now on the forum: please up date and Save the new version of the old or new "Greats". Always check the Browse History if you are unsure of a Wayback Archive possible save. A case in point, I noticed that many of Miller Tymes's great photo documentations of his many rifles were not saved. That is hundreds of excellent photos; well, I spent 2 hours saving to the archive and printing out his excellent rifle examples that I wanted. They are too good to lose. :shhh: It is always best to have a paper copy if you really value the information others post. There is some great stuff on this forum.
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Re: Recover old board posts?

#23 Post by 72 usmc » Sun Mar 31, 2019 5:10 pm

How to access Clasified section :arrow: ;) new members with few posts
see this link: http://www.surplusrifleforum.com/viewto ... 615#p20615
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#24 Post by Roy mcleod » Sun Mar 31, 2019 6:44 pm

Thanks everyone!!
This is very valuable info!!
MANY times, I thought about locating some special OLD postings.
Thanks again
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