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Re: Walmart says 21 to buy a long gun

#16 Post by Smokey » Sat Mar 03, 2018 6:21 am

For government forced redistribution to function (I didn't say work) they have to control everything. No personal property or individual rights. We can see how that works out in countries like Venezuela. Also note that the folks in Venezuela are essentially helpless to do anything about their awful situation. They have been completely disarmed. THAT is the purpose of gun control. To protect the repressive government from it's outraged "subjects". Also note that the socialist countries are among the poorest.
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#17 Post by SWIHARTMARK » Sun Mar 04, 2018 9:28 am

They also "disarmed" South Korea. Last year peaceful daily million person candle light protests helped remove a standing president, daughter of a former dictator. Guns don't always solve political problems, but if you continue to suggest they will, that will turn many people off to guns. I've seen Korean company goons beat up a strike with riot batons and tear gas. Not merely waving them around either. I've also seen workers merely destroy/burn company property in retaliation, no guns involved. When the government did use guns in 1980/1981, they never recovered the respect of the people and were eventually removed from power.

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BTW, People are now buy-cotting at Dick's Sporting Goods, that is they are buying instead of staying away.

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#18 Post by redeagle » Sun Mar 04, 2018 6:12 pm

First, as FOR PROFIT entities, corporations should not be political or social justice machines. Sure there are a few examples where companies did some good, but that is not their role.
Sadly, our law treats them as people with constitutional rights which is just wrong and the root of many problems too long to list here. I think companies should lobby through interest groups and publicly disclose such relationships and that is it. They should not be allowed to donate money to political campaigns. They are not people. Their decisions don't represent all shareholders or employees.
Their structure is like creating an immortal billionaire and they don't make decisions for the good of the country. Most of them diversify globally and want what is best for their profits, not the community or country. Unfortunatly, only boycotts and other commercial pressure works on them and it it hard to get many people to do that even when they are for the issue of the boycott.

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#19 Post by SWIHARTMARK » Tue Mar 06, 2018 8:41 pm

Walmart's and Dick's brand image has gone up considerably since its move on gun sales. Plus 5% to 12% as of today. Right now companies and billionaires contribute tons of money through PAC's and it is terribly difficult to track who gives what as well. Look at what a good deal they got on taxes recently.

Companies will do what they please these days without fear since those in power permit it.

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#20 Post by ffuries » Tue Mar 06, 2018 9:17 pm

20 year old Oregon man sues Walmart and Dick's Sporting Goods over new gun policies!

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#21 Post by SWIHARTMARK » Wed Mar 07, 2018 5:29 am

Yes, but the staff lawyers at Walmart and Dicks aren't exactly idiots are they? I'm sure they covered this well in advance. You don't make a nationwide change of sales policy announcement without prior legal advise. Protest lawsuit for sure. Whether it has any merit has yet to be proven. I could not find any in the article when I read it yesterday and I suspect it will be dismissed shortly.

Floradia voted to raise the age to sell guns to 21 already I read. States can do that without the Feds being involved. Bump stocks were also banned.

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#22 Post by Tommy Atkins » Wed Mar 07, 2018 8:32 am

The first age discrimination suit has been filed against Dicks. I wonder when the WallyWarrant will be too?

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#23 Post by SWIHARTMARK » Wed Mar 07, 2018 9:37 pm

This is from the Detroit Free Press today or yesterday and has the only expert advise on the case from what I've searched around for. The plaintiff is also seeking unspecified damages. There has been no response from the NRA on this from what I've seen. This is perhaps ground not worth fighting over since the merits look relatively disputable.
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"As a general rule, a merchant is not required to sell to anyone," said Wayne State University law professor Peter Henning, unless the buyer is covered under equal protection and the Civil Rights Act, and generally, age doesn't fall under that. "Usually, a merchant will sell to any willing buyer, who stays within the law, but there's no requirement to sell a gun to someone who is 18."

But, he said, it's less clear to him what is required of retailers under the Second Amendment.
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I would say that anybody certified to teach law is an expert on the subject. I thought the NRA would have responded by now if the case had enough merit.

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#24 Post by nrobertb » Wed Mar 07, 2018 10:50 pm

A funny thing happened here. There was a large space open in the local mall, and for months there were signs saying that Dick's was coming. Then the signs disappeared and the word was that the mall decided they didn't want a store that sold guns. Since then Dunham's has moved into that space and guess what? They sell guns.

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#25 Post by Pauljbk » Thu Mar 08, 2018 8:29 pm

My 20 year old son stopped at Walmart, dicks and a couple gun shops in Illinois and was turned away from trying to buy ammo because he's not 21. He was also rejected from buying a stripped lower from the state for being under 21 during the back ground check at the a local gun shop. He never had trouble buying ammo before because he shoots skeet etc and has bought it many times in the past. Apparently the state is enforcing the age even though it's not law.

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#26 Post by Ghoulardi » Thu Mar 08, 2018 8:58 pm

Pauljbk wrote:
Thu Mar 08, 2018 8:29 pm
My 20 year old son stopped at Walmart, dicks and a couple gun shops in Illinois and was turned away from trying to buy ammo because he's not 21. He was also rejected from buying a stripped lower from the state for being under 21 during the back ground check at the a local gun shop.
no surprise there , in Illinois you have to have a firearms owner identification (FOID) card in order to buy ammo and firearms. in order to have the FOID card you have to be 21.

as for the stripped receiver, again have to have a FOID. even if this was another state, he still couldn't buy a stripped AR lower receiver, you have to be 21 or older to buy it, this is by federal law.

he's just going to have to wait another year.
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#27 Post by Pauljbk » Thu Mar 08, 2018 9:34 pm

He has had a foid for a few years, you can get one at any age in Illinois with parents permission. He has been buying his own ammo for hunting and skeet since he was 18 because he had his foid card but that has all changed in the past weeks that you have to be 21.

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#28 Post by Markeb2800 » Fri Mar 09, 2018 3:41 am

I don't believe the law has changed. Must be store policy. It's getting harder and harder to live in Illinois.

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#29 Post by CRomanos » Fri Mar 09, 2018 1:31 pm

Being as psychotic breaks typically happen between the ages of 14-25, if we're serious about addressing school shootings as a mental health issue, we have to acknowledge that school shooters generally fit a profile and take that profile into account.

I believe in gun rights, hell, i wouldn't be here if I didn't, but it's irresponsible and self defeating to act like ready access to firearms for at risk populations isn't a factor.

This isn't a one-dimensional problem, and no one policy change is going to fix it.

The FBI and authorities that knew about this kids certainly have a role to play here as well, no doubt.

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#30 Post by SWIHARTMARK » Fri Mar 09, 2018 3:39 pm

I think they are finding the mass shooters aren't exactly mentally ill sadly enough. I've read a few things indicating the majority of mass shooters have not been diagnosed as mentally ill, only something like 20%. I really don't blame stores that sell a variety of goods besides guns to limit them to people over 21 years of age. Loads of people would be spooked by a gun being carried out of a big box store, even a sporting goods one. You do have to think of the store owner as well.

I buy my guns from small gun stores or do legal transfers from out of state online purchases. I have ZERO problem doing a background check, but I don't exactly want to get reamed paying for it. Why I don't have a C&R yet is beyond me.

If a 21 year old can't buy beer in a state, I don't think limiting them on gun or ammo purchases would be too difficult to fathom logically speaking.

One topic not spoken about is that 2/3rds of all gun deaths are suicides, not mass shootings. A wait period is there for that reason since suicide is an act done on impulse that does pass. Using a gun just lowers the odds of saving the person in question. Men use guns and have a higher rate of death per attempt than say, women.

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