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moved up to keep on page 1 :lol:
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I've got mine done. Using a retro looking LED bulb. yours are nicer.
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How about a nice photo of that lamp?
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I just was outbid on this interesting piece of paper from the factory. Picture source is from the lost eBay bid. Ha, I beat the dog out with my zapper program at the last second---it is mine at $12 :dance: A nice piece of Morgan Factory History!
This prayer is a modification of the old Christian/Catholic childrens prayer we learned as kids: "Now I lay me down to sleep"

A nice original document to go with my lamp and ashtrays :shifty: Photo of paper document shown below. I am also providing a second similar prayer.
There must have been different take offs of this prayer.... Here is a source to a second version dated 1919.
see :
https://books.google.com/books?id=vdI5A ... ke&f=false
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A second different version from the above link, looks like they did not have the full version; This is from the ( Journal of Electricity, January 15 1919, Vol. 42, No. 2 ) Both prayers most likely date to WW I 1919.
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Enlarged version: click on it and it is easy to read.
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Here is a real disaster-- as wrong as can be for a restoration and its being sold by IMA. edit in pink :arrow: :arrow: :geek:
After some study I may be in error
See source for more detailed photos. If it is a Snead Company lamp, This poor lamp has the wrong finish on the shell- no paint- scrubbed; incorrect paint on the helmet-although and interesting attachment method, this is first time I have seen this; incorrect socket-not even a brass one- a cheep chinese replacement socket; and finally the incorrect cord and plug. But only $300 + :lol: :lol:

https://www.ima-usa.com/products/origin ... table-lamp

All 5 pictures are from IMA ---Snead Morgan Lamp-- MAYBE AN UNCLE ED LAMP ? What a shame its been so poorly done (maybe not):o However, I wonder if the helmet attachment is original????? An interesting idea because the original ads do not show how it was attached from the inside of the helmet view, yet they also do not show a lamp finial. This may indeed be a picture documenting an original attachment for a single bulb electric lamp.
Please read lower comments about conjectures.
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After some thought :think: :think: :think: :think:
This is a very interesting photo of the helmet if it's of an original period attachment shown on the IMA lamp example. And is this helmet brass? Does anyone else have a lamp in original condition where the helmet remains and has such an attachment?????????? Is this a brass helmet or is it painted brass? I can not tell. The helmet is intriguing. Please provide some photo documentation. This is the first time I have seen a published photo of the inside of the helmet.

Also of interest is the split lines shown on the body of the shell. This attribute is seen in the "Uncle Ed" lamp version of the Morgan lamp, but not on a "Snead Company" version of the Morgan lamp. My Snead Company lamp has a smooth shell that is painted black. I wonder if this is an example of an Uncle Ed lamp. Maybe the base shell was not painted black like the Snead Company Lamp. Notice the split lines in the old ad for an Uncle Ed lamp. I can see no evidence of any black paint on the close up of the shell. The brass base and the helmet (brass???) look similar. Are they both brass. I do not think the helmet is painted brass.
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I wonder if this lamp separates into sections?? There is no mention of this in the IMA description. Maybe it has rusted over time and they do not even realize the lamp section would separate into sections like shown in the period ad on page 1 of this post.
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Maybe this lamp is not so modified as I first thought! Did the "Uncle Ed lamp" have brass colored or actual brass helmets???? I do not Know. The ad states at the bottom, and I quote it: "Shade is adjustable at any angle with reflector." This may be a documentation of an intact "Uncle Ed" lamp shade in a brass color and the white reflector helmet mentioned in the original ad. See more original period ads on page 1 of this post. Notice the pictures in the ad show white paint on the inner side of the helmet. Furthermore, I never notice this, but the shell body is not painted black like a Snead Company Lamp. These Uncle Eds had non painted shell bodies, they had a polished metal finish. Also a segmented shell body.
However, if the cord runs up the center of the lamp as shown in the IMA photo, it will not be possible for the sections to be separated. The central cord location would prevent this. If you look at the ad with the pictures on both sides, on the right side middle photo, it shows a cord attached only to the top section the lamp, and the cord must have run down from the top section along the outside of the shell body. This had to be the case in order for each section of the lamp body to be utilized as a ash tray, or pencil/cigarette holder. This is shown in the ad. So it appears there may have been two different versions of the Uncle Ed lamp, one that did not separate and one that did. On each the power cord locations are different.
I have noticed this is true because the above ad states the retail price for 3 different versions:
Trench Lamp, whole shell base $12
Trench Lamp, sectionalized smoking-set base $16
Victory Lamp with parchment shade $18

We see one cord location at the top and one at the bottom on the Uncle Ed lamp in the ad. Uncle Ed lamps were not painted black with the locomotive-like hard shinny paint as found on intact Snead Company lamps. Uncle Ed Lamps had steel polished shells. This example has a metal shell showing some patina, it may be an Uncle Ed lamp that does not separate into sections since the power cord enters from the bottom and travels up the center of the shell to the socket. This may be a $12 version of the Uncle Ed Lamp. The socket is clearly a contemporary replacement.

I have never seen or observed a WW I helmet pressed stamped in brass at gun shows or WWII military relic shows. It looks brass, but I can not tell if it is painted or polished brass. Looks like a brass metal helmet that was buffed and not a real surplus WW I green helmet. I also noticed in the original ads shown here that the helmet is not pictured as dark helmet, like a green WW I helmet would appear. So maybe the Uncle Ed lamps had this brass- bronze colored, non painted, shinny metal helmet. It kind of appears that way in the ad for the Uncle Ed. This IMA example is most likely an intact original Uncle Ed helmet. It is not a WW I Brodie steel helmet. Maybe the company that produced the Uncle Ed lamp had some original WW I helmets brass plated for their lamps??????


So is this example a documentation of an actual, intact, brass helmeted, Uncle Ed, non segmented lamp? Almost worth buying at $325 to find out. Posted: noon 22 sept, and if you buy it please post and photo document this lamp.
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I decided to repost all of IMA excellent photos because after it is sold they may not be available and I wanted documentation of this example. ALL photos are IMAs from the above linked source. If I had the cash I would buy it just so I can study it.

What I think we have here at IMA is a possible Uncle Ed lamp with just a new replacement socket and cord. All other attributes may remain intact and original. I can not tell from the photos if the shell is indeed segmented and was never painted, or if the helmet is brass with a white enamel reflector and original attachment. IT INDEED MAY BE ORIGINAL :dance: :clap: :clap:
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It would make a perfect Christmas gift for me. No shipping because its over $150, you could just send it to my house :shock: I have the correct period socket if it is a sectionalized lamp rewired wrong.
It has the lower hole, correct maker- a Bryant lamp switch/socket with the correct red/black shuttle switch, & vintage real brass:
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The red arrow shows the hole where the electrical wire came out the side and ran down the out side of the lamp so sections on the lamp shell could be split up. This is a hard to find socket type. Notice, it can be wired in two ways from the bottom and from the side. I had to buy a $30 junk lamp to get this socket--but try to find an original. :whistle: :whistle:
Many thanks to IMA ( International Military Antiques) for posting so many photos of such a nice example.
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Going , going, gone in 3 days at $325 :o :o And for my question to verify the helmet metal type, this is the results from IMA:
A new answer to your question has been received.
09/22/18
Q: Is the helmet made of brass or a painted brass color . Or is it a real helmet that has been brass plated.
09/25/18
A: It is a Brass helmet. the inside is painted.
Lets hope the buyer posts some close up photos of the bottom and its label.
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Here are some pictures of a Snead Morgan Explosion lamp still maintaining its original cord. Remains of the tag and white rubber ring is visible.
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Unfortunately the impossible to find top nose piece and upper original section is missing.
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Here is RapidRobs Victory Lamp. The missing photo of his lamp and grenade collection shown in the lower post # 102.
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Here's mine.
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Here is another odd version of the Morgan ashtray. It is similar to the one shown on the Morgan Historical web page. see
https://www.morgan-nj.org/blog/sample-p ... -ash-tray/

This ashtray has some decoration to the top and cigar holding grooves ground into the upper edge. The bottom is milled flat. This version has the wording order reversed. Its inscription is different than the lamp's inscription. This ash tray reads:
75mm SHELL
VICTORY
Nov. 11, 1918

In contrast the lamp generally has
VICTORY
Nov. 11, 1918
75 m/m SHELL
There are two versions: one with this reversed order and the other with an inscription identical to the Victory lamp.
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This baby sold $115
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:whistle: :whistle: :whistle: :whistle: Talk about luck.
I found a lady where her dad had a store in California and he saved all his paperwork, manuals, brochures, and instructions on file. She is slowly selling off the original sales brochures. Guess what, she had the original Morgan Lamp flyer and I am now its owner :dance: :dance: :clap: :clap:
PS my dad kept a box of memorabilia in his store and my thoughts are, he kept it all for a reason. So I am selling each piece. Some of it sells for a dollar and some for more. But most of it sells and means something to someone. God bless you. Lacy
What a fine Christmas present, how lucky can one person be!
Paper is so much harder to find since most of it did not survive. Like you see one offered out of every 200 lamps. Ya, that rare. :? I will provide more details when I get it in my hands. click on the photos and they enlarge.
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This was the only other I have actually seen:
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The original Snead & Co. Iron Works, Victory Lamp pamphlet came like a folded map measuring 4 inches wide by 9 1/4 inches high. Photos enlarge to provide a better view of the original document.
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It was folded onto itself twice. It unfolded to the right and then to the left producing 1/2 of the size (11 7/8 " by 9 1/4") of the double sided advertising pamphlet. After unfolding the lower and upper sections its final size measures 11 7/8 inches wide by 18 1/2 inches long. The ink on the front photo is a brownish sepia tone, not a black ink like the lettering & small photos on the back. The description on the back is written in black ink using three columns with the lamp specifications box found in the lower right hand corner measuring 3 1/2" by 4 7/8".
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The paper is somewhat thin, like a linen typing paper. The bottom corner talks about a reservation card. One could send in the "Blank", maybe a post card, with a $3 reservation fee to reserve a Morgan shell for your lamp, or purchase a lamp by installments at $3 per month till it was paid for.
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The Snead & Co. Iron Works Victory Lamp sold for $18.40. However, other ads found in American Legion magazines of the time mention the "Decorative Arts League" located at the same address, (175 5th avenue NY), as the Snead & Co. Iron Works Company. The "Decorative Arts League" sold the Uncle Ed lamp that came in three versions, each costing $12, $16, or $18.
This rare document was entombed in a file cabinet for years, hence it is one of the few pieces to survive. I am posting some photos of this original paper Morgan Lamp document that survives in excellent condition.
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