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Las Vegas Shooting

#1 Post by Rapidrob » Mon Oct 02, 2017 10:07 am

We need to all pray for the victims of the Las Vegas shooting last night.
What ever the motive was/is will impact all of us who own firearms and shoot as a sport.
In the days to come the powers to be will react with typical knee jerk reactions rather than attack the motive for the shooting.
It is truly a dark day in American history.
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#2 Post by ffuries » Mon Oct 02, 2017 12:10 pm

Sad day indeed, prayers to all those involved and affected by this.

What irks me is how something like this brings out the idiots and their opinions. It gets turned into a racial thing, a political thing, a gun control thing, a terrorism thing, etc. People are quick to add a label to a tragedy to further their agenda.
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#3 Post by Tommy Atkins » Mon Oct 02, 2017 12:21 pm

Information is still sketchy & conflicting.
Latest I've read (unconfirmed for accuracy)
Shooter took his own as Police entered, multiple rifles in hotel room.
In Process of divorce from wife while living with Filipino girlfriend (not thought involved).
2 separate AntiFa groups & ISIS all claiming responsibility, again unconfirmed. More to follow I'm sure.
Its going to be bad & messy for us, but not as bad as it must be for those shot or killed.

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#4 Post by ffuries » Mon Oct 02, 2017 12:25 pm

The number of dead now at 58 and injured at 500 plus.

Read the same thing that he took his life just before law enforcement made entry. Also read how ISIS was taking responsibility saying he was a convert.
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#5 Post by wjh » Mon Oct 02, 2017 4:35 pm

I'm amazed at all the "gun" experts I'm hearing on the radio. Most of these people
are clueless about gun laws. They keep talking about automatic fire and we don't
even know what weapon or weapons he used. Now some people are saying they
heard two shooters. One "expert" was talking about a belt fed weapon. The
whole thing is just sad. I can't fathom what goes on in someone's head that
compels them to do this.

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#6 Post by ffuries » Mon Oct 02, 2017 4:50 pm

wjh wrote:
Mon Oct 02, 2017 4:35 pm
I'm amazed at all the "gun" experts I'm hearing on the radio. Most of these people
are clueless about gun laws. They keep talking about automatic fire and we don't
even know what weapon or weapons he used. Now some people are saying they
heard two shooters. One "expert" was talking about a belt fed weapon. The
whole thing is just sad. I can't fathom what goes on in someone's head that
compels them to do this.
I think the so-called experts just like hearing their own voices. That and they truly believe the BS they recite and feel it makes them seem smart and important. So many opinions in respect to the weapons used and as you so correctly stated, weapons used in this situation are unknown by the public as of now.
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#7 Post by davew » Mon Oct 02, 2017 5:36 pm

What I just read on Fox News was, the rifle is an AR15 that was converted to full auto, along with 10 or 15 other guns, this apparently came from a police spokesman.

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#8 Post by wjh » Mon Oct 02, 2017 7:51 pm

davew wrote:
Mon Oct 02, 2017 5:36 pm
What I just read on Fox News was, the rifle is an AR15 that was converted to full auto, along with 10 or 15 other guns, this apparently came from a police spokesman.
I'm not sure I believe that. If you compare one of the full auto mag dumps on youtube, it sounds much faster than what I heard on the Los Vegas video. Perhaps a bump fire stock or
one of those pull and release triggers. If so, they are going to be history very quickly. The gun grabbers are exploding the gun control issue again. I've seen facebook posts about
banning the "assault rifle". So much for the suppressor legislation before Congress. That will be gone too.

I want to hear with the ATF says. I don't trust these other sources.

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#9 Post by polaris » Mon Oct 02, 2017 9:44 pm

It may come out with time exactly what type of weapon was fired, there's no harm in some speculation. I have some experience with automatic weapons, having fired them and had them fired in my direction, both in training and in malice. In listening to a few of the videos, it is definitely not a standard Full auto AR 15 platform. the rate of fire is too slow. A "gatling" device on a semi auto... possibly, but fire control, even on a 5.56 rifle is nearly impossible at that speed and the strings are longer than 30 rounds. I think the closest match to what I've heard are the soviet family of light machine guns/SAWS. The PK in x54R, and the RPK either in 7.62x39 or 5.45x39. These do tend to change cyclic rate slightly with heating, mixed lots of ammo, or worn parts.

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#10 Post by Hammy » Mon Oct 02, 2017 10:28 pm

If the cyclic rate was too slow for a full-automatic weapon, could it of been a slide-fire stock? I've never had any contact with one, except on YouTube, so I am in the dark about them, but I have heard that he could of used slide-fire equipped rifles.
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#11 Post by Rapidrob » Mon Oct 02, 2017 10:41 pm

Fox news says one of the rifles was an AR15. Converted to full auto. The other rifle was an AR15 in .308? I think not. An AR10 or clone there of,yes.
Changing the buffer weight or hydraulic type buffer and buffer spring does change how fast/slow the rifle will fire.( Stronger spring,original buffer, faster firing rate. Heavier buffer, original spring,slower firing rate) I have done this many times for a variety of reasons.
Without going into details on illegal conversions people do, many are not done to MIL-SPECS. The timing is off for various of reasons and the builders slow the action down to allow the action to lock up and shoot safely.
The shooter had lots of money. He could afford to buy just about anything he wanted,legal or otherwise...and he did.
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#12 Post by Rapidrob » Tue Oct 03, 2017 10:37 am

Cops just said they found two "Bump Fire" rifle stocks.
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#13 Post by Hippycrowe » Tue Oct 03, 2017 11:58 am

Boy all the calls for gun control just trying to score political points. If I remember right when Dems controled both houses and the white house there was no gun control laws passed. I don't understand how you can stop some one like this guy by passing a law.

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#14 Post by Tommy Atkins » Tue Oct 03, 2017 12:04 pm

Boston 25 News has obtained exclusive photos from police sources showing the guns used during a massacre in Las Vegas that claimed the lives of 59 people and wounded 527 Sunday night.

http://www.fox25boston.com/news/only-on ... /618716556

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#15 Post by wjh » Tue Oct 03, 2017 12:47 pm

Rapidrob wrote:
Tue Oct 03, 2017 10:37 am
Cops just said they found two "Bump Fire" rifle stocks.
If you want one, get it now. Those will be on the chopping block.
I'm just guessing the current suppressor legislation is now dead. I was
looking forward to removing them from the NFA. That would have
lowered prices and then perhaps I would have gotten one.

I want to know what medication this guy was taking. They give lots of
people drugs and then they do strange things. The pharma people don't
want to talk about those things.

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