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WW I panographic photo Krags

Posted: Fri Jun 08, 2018 8:43 pm
by 72 usmc
I picked up a 46 inch long by 8 1/2 inch wide WW I Panographic photo in its original frame with bubbles and waves in the glass that is dated Sept. 4 1918 of the 40th Company , 161st Depot Brigade, Lt H. Dooley Commanding D G that has many soldiers, but they all have 1898 Krag rifles not 1917 Enfields or 1903 Springfields. The photo is huge and soldiers are clearly visible. None of the Krags have slings on them. None of the soldiers have Krag web gear or bayonets. No steel helmets. They all are wearing the felt campaign hat. All have long sleeve shirts, but no summer kaki or green wool tunic coats. They all are wearing canvass leggings.

The View is of the brigade at Camp Grant in Rockford, Illinois-- where the present day Rockford International airport is today. I picked it up because of its original frame and period glass as well as the soldiers holding Krags in the photo. Picture is water stained form storage in a basement. Here are some close up views of details. Camp Grant must have had Krags for training rifles. I wonder how common this was?
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Re: WW I panographic photo Krags

Posted: Fri Jun 08, 2018 9:43 pm
by Rapidrob
A very cool photo.
Krags were issued.

Re: WW I panographic photo Krags

Posted: Sat Jun 09, 2018 7:43 am
by Airforce1
I have a couple of similar yardlongs with krags from about 1914 or so.

Re: WW I panographic photo Krags

Posted: Sat Jun 09, 2018 8:04 am
by Smokey
For training of troops in WWI, any serviceable rifle would have been used. M91 Moisin-Nagants were also used. (Those that were not shipped to Russia after the Bolsheviks took over). We still had a fair number of Krags after they were retired from primary issue.

Interestingly, the Krag probably would lasted longer in service if a charger clip were developed for faster reloading. Paratrooper on another forum had a short video using a Swiss GP-11 charger clip with a Krag. In any event, some of the first US troops going overseas still had Krag rifles.

Re: WW I panographic photo Krags

Posted: Sat Jun 09, 2018 10:57 am
by 72 usmc
A Panographic photo with the soldiers holding Mosins would also be a great find. That I would grab ASAP. Most are shorter, those 46 inch ones are nice because the individuals can be clearly seen. I also have a machine gun company one that is 52 " long. When in a frame with old glass they are very nice. Our local antique store must have about eight of the shorter panographic views some Navy, but most do not show the vets with rifles. My Vietnam one from 1971 USMC shows our group with the new P7 amtract and M48 tank with the guys in the center. The LVT P5s were going out . We were all in our peanut butter class A's with short sleeve shirts for a CG inspection on Okinawa. No rifles. we still had M14 and trench shot guns for guard duty. Last qualification on Okinawa was with a M14. Out on float they had M16s. All the crews are tiny and its only about 18 inches long. Hard to see the faces of the guys on the smaller photos. I am waiting for a USMC WW I with us 1917 enfields, those are hard to find, let alone one with the marines holding rifles. You do not see these at stores too much anymore.

Re: WW I panographic photo Krags

Posted: Sat Jan 26, 2019 9:09 am
by Mustang_51D
And do you guys have any idea of when the Krags where finally entirely phased out, even for training and for the National Guard?

Re: WW I panographic photo Krags

Posted: Sat Jan 26, 2019 9:07 pm
by 72 usmc
In 1982 our American Legion post sold off the rusty parade firing Krags that sat in the corner of a storage room. These were replaced sometime in the early 1970s with bolt action 03s. To my knowledge they still use these rather than M1 rifles. However, it is rare today see the guys in a parade that actually fire a salute, heck some cemeteries do not like the final salute firing in the city due to recent liberal climates. A lot of cities have a no discharge of firearms with in the city limits. Most make exceptions for vet burials- but not all. But at most of the smaller towns they love it when the group of vets stop each block and fire off a round. Some still allow reenactments and rendezvous shooting events. Our Civil War reenactment groups still fire a salute off at local churches that have CW soldiers buried on the grounds.
I have no idea what the WI NGs used back in WW I for training? I saw one photo from Camp Douglas WI of a group of soldiers in WW I, but they had 03 Springfield rifles, I missed the framed picture. It sold for $200.