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Trench knife WW1 M17

Posted: Sun Oct 14, 2018 7:32 am
by M67
Austro-Hungarian WW1 Grabendolch M17 KuK Sturmmesser. Very simple and rough. Real trench weapon without no needs. Just simple and cruel blade!
From my collection with different type of scabbards.

Re: Trench knife WW1 M17

Posted: Mon Oct 15, 2018 11:50 am
by indy1919a4
Wow, never seen those before. Those are just butcher blades. I am assuming they were issued??? So would One carry one of these instead of a bayonet or in addition to a bayonet????

Re: Trench knife WW1 M17

Posted: Mon Oct 15, 2018 1:35 pm
by M67
Correct. The butcher tool. It is regular issue M1917 Grabendolch or M17 Sturmmesser. Photos from internet!
The first photo was taken only 12 km away from my home in western Slovenia! Can you imagine. Very, very known photo with two sturmtruppe!

Re: Trench knife WW1 M17

Posted: Mon Oct 15, 2018 2:24 pm
by indy1919a4
wow, I have seen the top photo before... Nice that you can ID the photo so close to your home..

And there you are, there is the front soldier with both knife & bayonet.

Real nice photos.. thanks for posting these.

Re: Trench knife WW1 M17

Posted: Tue Oct 16, 2018 1:35 pm
by M67
This one is the best. Original green color. Markings are Hungarian coat of arms and MA. 'MA' means Magyar Acélárugyár Rt, Hungary.The leader is original too and still soft and strong.
The trench knife is presented on the top of two ammo wooden box for linked 100 rounds 8x50R. It is the smaller ammo box for the Maschinengewehr (Schwarzlose) M. 7, also known as the Schwarzlose MG, which was themedium machine-gun, used as a standard issue firearm in the Austro-Hungarian army.

Re: Trench knife WW1 M17

Posted: Tue Oct 16, 2018 8:31 pm
by indy1919a4
My I ask what is the going price for one over there.. I see people over here asking about 125 dollars for them here.. The knife looks built like they would last 300 years

And maybe a few photos of those ammo cans :) ??? when the handles are up are they in the middle of the box or slightly offset like German ammo cans

Re: Trench knife WW1 M17

Posted: Wed Oct 17, 2018 7:36 am
by Airforce1
Italians used captured ones a lot during the war.

Re: Trench knife WW1 M17

Posted: Wed Oct 17, 2018 10:11 am
by indy1919a4
Airforce1 wrote:
Wed Oct 17, 2018 7:36 am
Italians used captured ones a lot during the war.
I hate to sound obtuse here, but which war :)

Only over the past few years have I become aware of the amount of arms that went back and forth in the
the south eastern Europe during and between WW1 & WW 2. IE the M95 rifle looked down upon for
years over here in the collecting world.. Unreal its importance in Eastern Europe..

Re: Trench knife WW1 M17

Posted: Wed Oct 17, 2018 2:16 pm
by M67
indy1919a4 wrote:
Tue Oct 16, 2018 8:31 pm
My I ask what is the going price for one over there.. I see people over here asking about 125 dollars for them here.. The knife looks built like they would last 300 years

And maybe a few photos of those ammo cans :) ??? when the handles are up are they in the middle of the box or slightly offset like German ammo cans

The price for a good one is between 60-200 eur (scabbard and leader/canvas too).

Schwarzlose ammo box.. i will. But is there some interest?

Re: Trench knife WW1 M17

Posted: Wed Oct 17, 2018 5:02 pm
by indy1919a4
Oh I am interested in seeing them.. That is about the prices I see over here in this country.. Considering how easy these are to ship, that makes sense ..

Many thanks for the education and sharing..

take care

Mike

Re: Trench knife WW1 M17

Posted: Thu Oct 18, 2018 4:32 am
by Airforce1
indy1919a4 wrote:
Wed Oct 17, 2018 10:11 am
Airforce1 wrote:
Wed Oct 17, 2018 7:36 am
Italians used captured ones a lot during the war.
I hate to sound obtuse here, but which war :)
Ww1

Re: Trench knife WW1 M17

Posted: Thu Oct 18, 2018 8:32 am
by indy1919a4
Airforce1 wrote:
Thu Oct 18, 2018 4:32 am
indy1919a4 wrote:
Wed Oct 17, 2018 10:11 am
Airforce1 wrote:
Wed Oct 17, 2018 7:36 am
Italians used captured ones a lot during the war.
I hate to sound obtuse here, but which war :)
Ww1
Well you got me thinking here, so I pose a question to OP.. Did these blades have a second life in WW 2 as an official issued weapon??? Seems like no one in Eastern Europe threw a weapon away,, they just reused them..