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spotting scope question

#1 Post by hardcore » Sat Dec 29, 2018 2:35 am

hey friends,

i am wanting to be able to see .30 cal holes at 300 yards.

its not that i mind walking down range but it takes way to much time. i figure i needed to walk faster or get a better spotting scope.

even with the best rifle scope i own,a swarovshi z3 4- 12x50 l, i cant see .30 cal holes at more then 200 yards if that, on a clear day.

what do yall use and recommend?.

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Re: spotting scope question

#2 Post by 72 usmc » Sat Dec 29, 2018 10:33 am

You are into big buck country for that distance. Did you see this
https://www.targettamers.com/guides/bes ... -300-yards

A lawyer guy at our range has one of these https://ads.midwayusa.com/product/35560 ... gKMtfD_BwE

What dreams are made of- talk about clear. Makes my CMP Konus look like a piece of junk.
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#3 Post by indy1919a4 » Sat Dec 29, 2018 2:22 pm

72 usmc wrote:
Sat Dec 29, 2018 10:33 am

A lawyer guy at our range has one of these https://ads.midwayusa.com/product/35560 ... gKMtfD_BwE

What dreams are made of- talk about clear. Makes my CMP Konus look like a piece of junk.
WOW thats a lot of airsoft toys :)

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Re: spotting scope question

#4 Post by Tommy Atkins » Sat Dec 29, 2018 3:24 pm

As these prices climb you might look into non traditional electronic systems using WiFi & old cell phones.

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#5 Post by Merle1 » Sat Dec 29, 2018 6:14 pm

have you considered "shoot-n-see" targets?

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#6 Post by Ghoulardi » Sat Dec 29, 2018 6:54 pm

this should work, these kinds of telescopes brings in the moon which is some 250,000 miles away pretty close , don't see why it wouldn't work at distance of 300 yards


https://www.walmart.com/ip/Barska-300-P ... ckEALw_wcB
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#7 Post by Merle1 » Sun Dec 30, 2018 4:05 pm

Ghoulardi wrote:
Sat Dec 29, 2018 6:54 pm
this should work, these kinds of telescopes brings in the moon which is some 250,000 miles away pretty close , don't see why it wouldn't work at distance of 300 yards


https://www.walmart.com/ip/Barska-300-P ... ckEALw_wcB

IIRC, some of these telescopes won't focus well at short range..... :think:

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#8 Post by RWS » Mon Dec 31, 2018 9:24 am

It should focus at 300 yards I would think. The bigger issue with a scope that powerful is that wind gusts and/or vibration will cause the image to "bounce" around in the scope to the extent that makes the bullet holes hard to identify, especially after the 2nd round is fired and the target starts to get crowded with holes. I have experienced this even when shooting off a concrete bench and trying to use my Tasco astronomy telescope to see bullet holes at 500 yards.

Indoors would be far less problematic, wind-wise, but there aren't many indoor 300 yard ranges. Still, for $65 the Barska from Walmart would be worth a gamble, IMHO.

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#9 Post by Tommy Atkins » Mon Dec 31, 2018 10:12 am

There's a rule in optics. It revolves around insane high magnification claims. Astronomy telescopes aren't "powerful" they are light gatherers, not magnifiers, primarily.
It has to do with the way wavelengths of light are "bent" (refracted) in optical glass, but to keep it simple you need 1" of objective (front) lens diameter per 20X of magnification for it to be "clear" (read sharp).

This means to get a SHARP 400X magnification you need a 16" Objective diameter. Or the other way round with a 70mm front diameter (2.8" roughly) you can have a MAXIMUM magnification of 56X.
Its not a question of product quality either, it laws of physics unfortunately! Can you crank it higher with a very short eyepiece lens? Sure, but it WILL be fuzzy as all get out.

This is my 90mm scope
Fitted with this 25mm eyepiece its a crystal-clear 26X mag. Plenty for a 30m cal @ 200 yds, but reaching at 300. nI have a 12.5 mm eyepiece that bring that up to 56X, but I never use it because the image quality is beginning to decline with such a small objective lens.
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Just to put it all into perspective, This is a 12" Celestron, capable of 240X
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Re: spotting scope question

#10 Post by hardcore » Mon Jun 10, 2019 1:45 am

i decided no go for the spotting scope.

i looked down range through other members scopes and got there views.

and for what i would spend, just gunna continue to do the range walk.

thanks for the imput guys

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Re: spotting scope question

#11 Post by Rapidrob » Mon Jun 10, 2019 8:51 am

I've been using a Bushnell 3-24 power scope I bought 40 years ago. With good quality optics you can clearly see bullet holes in the white at 300 yards.
If your shooting range if facing East or slightly North East you can see the bullets holes in the black as well.
If your range is not facing as stated above you will not be able to see the bullet holes even with the best optics.
Shooting steel is is another option as you can clearly see the strikes on black painted and white painted targets.
Using my scope at 800 yards I can clearly see bullet strikes on the black steel target.
Another factor shooters never take into count is range mirage. Depending on the growth or lack there of trees and weeds, the mirage can be very bad completely distorting the image of your target making a call of shot almost impossible. No optic made will clearly see through the mirage.
Do a good search on the internet for reviews from trusted sites that have used the available optics for sale.
My club members has spent a lot of $$$ on crappy Chinese optics that sounded good but were total junk at the range.
Many of the scopes are good at 100-200 yards where 99.9% of all shooters are going to fire, but go farther out ( more magnification ) and the quality of the image suffers due to the "real" quality of the lens coatings and how well they were ground.
PM me and I can give you a list of scopes we now use that have decent glass that allow you to see bullet holes at long distance.
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