new .32 French long

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new .32 French long

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Starline has new brass, not machined garbage, but actual production brass with a head stamp. Has anyone got some and actually measured a case and made a comparison against an original French steel case? Has anyone loaded some up and fired these in there 35 S or 35 A pistols? What dies are you using.
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STARLINE https://www.starlinebrass.com/765-french-long
250 for $55

Original specifications
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Test of .32 French long ammo:
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I am on the search for suitable ammunition for the Mle 1935A and Mle 1935S French pistols, as well as my MAS-38 submachine gun. They are chambered for the 7.65mm French Long cartridge, aka 7.65x20mm, aka .32 French Long. It has never been produced commercially that I am aware of, and surplus French military ammunition is scarce, corrosive, and very unreliable. So that leaves a couple custom ammunition makers to try from.

I did not try anything from Gad’s Ammo, as I have had poor experiences trying to order from him in the past. I did buy a supply of ammo from Buffalo Arms, made with converted .32 S&W Long brass. I also was given some similar ammunition made by Reed’s Custom Ammo by a viewer (thanks!). I also had a selection of steel-case French surplus ammo. My results on a chronograph were:

Buffalo Arms (9 shots):
Average velocity at 3 yards – 979fps
Standard deviation – 41 fps
Conclusion: Underpowered; usually ejected the case but would not chamber a new one. Not recommended.

Reed’s Custom (9 shots):
Average velocity at 3 yards – 815fps
Standard deviation – 82 fps (!)
Conclusion: Significantly underpowered and extremely inconsistent. Never cycled the pistol, and usually failed to eject the empty case. Definitely not recommended.

French surplus:
10 rounds attempted, only one fired. Velocity of that round was 1085fps. Corrosive. Not recommended.

At SHOT Show in January 2018, the Starline booth rep told me that they were planning to start making proper new production 7.65mm French Long brass within the year. My understanding is that converted .32 S&W brass has a tendency to split case heads when loaded to original spec, so getting new production brass from Starline will be the key to anyone being able to make workable ammo for these pistols (both at home and commercially).
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Re: new .32 French long

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Call me a fool, I just ordered 250 cases to get some measurements and reload then try in some of my pistols. I am not sure how fast they may sell out??? So I took a gamble. I plan to use my 500 original .32 French military, steel case ammunition that has dead primers for powder and bullets. My die is CH4D.
We shall see. :shhh: :think: :snooty:
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Re: new .32 French long

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Mr Lupin on Gunboards.com has gotten LEE Dies to make a run of the dies that are cheaper than RCBS

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Re: new .32 French long

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The rim thickness and diameter of the ejector groove are important here. Also the angle on the ejector groove is not exactly unimportant. I don't have a optical comparator to work with and measure this nymore on this though as I switched shops. 250 cases for $55 is a deal though. Somebody tell me if they work. I'm not going to rework 250 cases to make them all work, but I could in a fit of rage. I hope they are better than the stuff I measured from Buffalo Arms.

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Mark

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Re: new .32 French long

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Swihartmark, sorry boss, I ordered some cases and they should arrive today. PM address and I can send some for you to measure if you want. I will do a comparison when they arrive. I thought you saw this :doh: :doh: I have no way to measure the angle but other case dimemsions I can do. Will provide photos since the ancient post & photos of different brass is Kaput.
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Re: new .32 French long

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Optical comparitor here is faint to read, but maybe it will work with some doing. I am due to buy 250 today from Sterline direct. Might see about some 45/70 while I am at it.

I hope that stuff works though.

Best regards,

Mark

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Re: new .32 French long

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I thought it worth a gamble to get 250 as a trial. link: https://www.starlinebrass.com/765-french-long/

Or search for "7.65 French long" not .32 French long. At 22 cents a case and free shipping it is easier than making them...
I do like that they got a correct headstamp, and your idea of painting them red because like a Tokarev the french pistols toss the cartridge into the next field. If they work I plan to get 500. I do not know how many they produced, but if they function, I bet there will be a run on their brass and the cost of French pistols will triple. Last one I saw was $350 last year & no takers due to a lack of the spare magazine & holster. Beat condition. I assume soon ammo producers will be offering loaded ammo with Starline brass cases if they actually work and specs are dead on. Maybe Prvi?

IF, and we shall see if my package arrives today as suggested by tracking, If they are cut to specs. One review says they functioned well with pulled Tok tips 85 grain, and 3.7 grains of red Dot powder. No mention of OAL , die used, or primer type.
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Re: new .32 French long

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My box arrived it appears to be identical to the steel case French original ammo from just looking at it. My cheep calipers seemed to be gone. The search is on. Maybe some photos tonight, depending on the expected hail storm.

Starling Brass 7.65 French longue
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More photos 1947 & 1946 original steel case 7.65 French Longue
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Just ordered 250 cases myself. They do look similar. I will check the dimensions once my cases arrive. I have about five sets of calipers here or at work, not to mention micrometers. I'm really interested in the rim thickness.

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Mark

Checked GB for M1935's..... Not exactly many for sale.

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Re: new .32 French long

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Buffalo arms 7.65 French long cut from 32 S&W long . Jams in some pistols and will not chamber next round.
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Buffalo Arms brass more photos
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Old Wester Scrounger ammo 7.65 French Long photos
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Talk about some thick rims??? The comparison of 3 types: original steel case French ammo gray case, (OWS) Old Western Scrounger, (B ) Buffalo Arms
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Re: new .32 French long

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Swihartmark's cut brass that works and is almost identical to the French steel case ammo. Fired case only. Red marked case. Perfect machining.
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