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8x56R loads with slow powders?

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8x56R loads with slow powders?

#1 Post by professrh » Sun Jul 02, 2017 1:46 pm

Anybody loading slow powders with 8x56R? I have a pretty good load with Varget and 205- grain SPs, but I'm wondering if I can't maybe beat it. . . .

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#2 Post by Irons78 » Sun Jul 02, 2017 6:25 pm

Hi - I posted similar a few days ago, one user gave me a recipe for IMR4895. I'm using H4895. These are almost as slow as you can get. I might switch to Varget, more versatile.

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Re: 8x56R loads with slow powders?

#3 Post by dezzertrat » Mon Jul 03, 2017 11:52 am

IMR4350, H4350, and Accurate 4350 are slower than any of the above powders, and are good powders for the U.S. Krag with heavy bullets.

I don't know if anyone has 4350 loads worked up for the 8x56R. If you Google the following search string:

8x56R 4350

You will find several threads at gun forums on it. Of course, caution should be used for any loads listed on forums that aren't published in any reloading manuals.

Here is one:

https://www.mdshooters.com/showthread.php?t=10722

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Re: 8x56R loads with slow powders?

#4 Post by Cattus Borealis » Mon Jul 03, 2017 1:20 pm

I have found Vectan TU 5000 to be a good powder for the older Military cartridges: it is slower than 4064 and 4895 but not as slow as IMR 4350. TU 7000 is roughly about the same speed as 4350. Grafs has the Nobel Sport series of powders.

https://www.grafs.com/retail/catalog/pr ... ctId/28088

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#5 Post by professrh » Mon Jul 03, 2017 6:45 pm

Thanks, gents.

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#6 Post by Point-man » Thu Jul 06, 2017 8:39 am

Thank you for the info.

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Re: 8x56R loads with slow powders?

#7 Post by 72 usmc » Thu Jul 06, 2017 9:51 am

I am not much for new stuff. For my 2 cents of info: I use a medium grade old fashion IMR 3031 in my Lebel and Mannlichers. In the M95 8x56R Prvi case, I find that IMR 3031 produces small groups with a clean burn. But I am shooting at 75 and 100 yards- I can not see much after that. I favor 75 yards with iron sights. In my M95 carbine and long rifle, I have used IMR 3031 from 38 to 40 grains with a 205 grain jacketed bullet. My bore is great and tight in all rifles. I like 40 grains in the long rifle. I down load for that beast carbine. Not fun to shoot. In the long rifle M95 it is real accurate. At least as my old eyes can shoot

On my 7x57 Mauser,Prvi case I use 36-38 grains with a .284 bullet at 140-145 grain jacketed bullet. In the Lebel, I use 33-34grains of IMR 3031 in the Prvi case with a 150 grain jacketed bullet .323. All seem to shoot fine on paper. I no longer hunt.
I have never used IMR 4895. Have you ever used any of these in a M95 long rifle? Do you really get that tight a pattern if its that slow a powder? Chart burn rate http://www.egpworld.com/RELOADING/POWDE ... _RATES.htm
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Re: 8x56R loads with slow powders?

#8 Post by professrh » Thu Jul 06, 2017 11:57 am

72 usmc wrote:
Thu Jul 06, 2017 9:51 am
On my 7x57 Mauser,Prvi case I use 36-38 grains with a .284 bullet at 140-145 grain jacketed bullet. In the Lebel, I use 33-34grains of IMR 30031 in the Prvi case with a 150 grain jacketed bullet .323. All seem to shoot fine on paper. I no longer hunt.
I have never used IMR 4895. Have you ever used any of these in a M95 long rifle? Do you really get that tight a pattern if its that slow a powder? Chart burn rate http://www.egpworld.com/RELOADING/POWDE ... _RATES.htm
I've never used IMR 3031. The fastest powder I've used is Reloder 7, in the SKS, which works quite well at the ~2200-fps level (per Hornady 7th). I've used H4895; my Loewe m1916 likes it a lot with those fat .287 154-grain swaged up Hornady SPs from Buffalo Arms. Never owned an M95 long rifle, but have gotten good results with Varget in my M95 carbine and 205-grain SPs. Interested in going with a slower powder and seeing what the rifle can do, but of course, load data is pretty scarce.

As for other slow(er) powders, my Swedes like H4350 a lot; the Brazilian frankenmauser will eat anything, and the Swiss rifles get Varget under a 165-grain Sierra GameKing. I use a lot of Varget. Last summer I worked up loads for the 7.62x54R and the 8x57 using IMR 7383/RAD 78 after RapidRob's excellent posts about that powder. A slightly compressed load in those calibers yields mid-range velocities and comparable accuracy to my (higher-velocity) Varget loads. Sadly, the RAD 78 posts were lost in the incident; Wayback Machine didn't save anything in 2016.

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