Is it worth it?

Petros600
Junior Member
Junior Member
Posts: 26
Joined: Thu Jun 08, 2017 12:44 am
Age: 40
Location: Voorhees, NJ

Re: Is it worth it?

Post by Petros600 »

Congratulations on getting your license!!
User avatar
dmg4
Member
Member
Posts: 83
Joined: Sat Jun 10, 2017 12:48 am
Age: 63
Location: Geneva, NY

Re: Is it worth it?

Post by dmg4 »

Definitely worth it. You can use it for almost ANY firearm over 50 years old, not just military surplus. See item 1 below. That currently means anything before 1968. If you buy more than one a year, it pays for itself. The following is copied from the rule from the current BATFE circular on the 03 FFL:

Image
Attachments
Screen Shot 2018-01-15 at 5.22.07 AM.png
Screen Shot 2018-01-15 at 5.22.07 AM.png (92.9 KiB) Viewed 12583 times
Frequently wrong, never in doubt.
User avatar
Ricekila
Registered User
Registered User
Posts: 23
Joined: Sat Jun 03, 2017 10:12 pm
Age: 66
Location: Suffolk, NY

Re: Is it worth it?

Post by Ricekila »

Korn wrote: Thu Jan 11, 2018 6:35 pm I see they charged me the 30 bucks so i assume that means it is on the way.
From what I remember -- 30 seconds after I sent mine in -- they hit my bank account before I got out of the bathroom --- and didn't the app say -- no refunds :lol:

Mine came in about 6 ( ? ) weeks --
Image
Petros600
Junior Member
Junior Member
Posts: 26
Joined: Thu Jun 08, 2017 12:44 am
Age: 40
Location: Voorhees, NJ

Re: Is it worth it?

Post by Petros600 »

I m surprised that they still charge $30
User avatar
BoltOperated
Registered User
Registered User
Posts: 8
Joined: Wed Feb 14, 2018 10:14 am
Age: 53
Location: Queensbury, NY

Re: Is it worth it?

Post by BoltOperated »

Well worth it even if you only buy a few rifles each year. Eliminating the need for an 01FFL to become part of your process is worth it alone.
C&R licensee, vintage military rifle enthusiast, competitive shooter, NRA member
echo1
Member
Member
Posts: 187
Joined: Tue Aug 29, 2017 6:11 am
Age: 65
Location: Kali, USA

Re: Is it worth it?

Post by echo1 »

It's not even been a remote consideration for me in the past, as I've always done good on the street, FTF. I've been at it for a few decades, and prefer to handle and inspect each item. BUT, the world wide web has added an impact with a greater base of availability. I haven't acquired an 03, and don't intend to, as I'm a Kali resident and you need a COE (more shake down fee$), and must pay a self registration fee of $19 bucks per item. In 2015 Kali did away with C&R cash & carry. My long time FFL charges a flat rate weather it's 1 or 5 guns to receive from out of state, and will accept from a private party. I've been into SKSs for a while, and until the Sinobanians showed up a few years back, Chinese SKS didn't qualify as C&R anyway. Good for some, not for me. PAX
jardows
Member
Member
Posts: 50
Joined: Tue Jun 06, 2017 9:17 pm
Age: 39
Location: Lynchburg, VA

Re: Is it worth it?

Post by jardows »

I got a C&R when I first started getting into collecting. At the time, Midway, Graf's, Brownells, and others would give dealer pricing if you sent in the C&R. I saved the equivalent of the license fee on my first order from Midway for reloading equipment and supplies! Not sure if they are still doing that now, as I let my license lapse, and haven't had the funds to do much loading or shooting lately.
jbrower
Registered User
Registered User
Posts: 17
Joined: Sun Jun 04, 2017 4:07 pm
Location: Swarthmore, PA

Re: Is it worth it?

Post by jbrower »

I had one for 9 years starting in 2007. Back then, Midway would give you dealer pricing if you had one and the savings were pretty significant. I saved several hundred dollars on an AR15 upper I bought from them which paid for the license several times over. They don't do that anymore though, nor do most other online retailers. My tastes have moved on to Antiques where no license is needed at all. I dropped it after the ATF started asking you how many C&R arms you sold since your last renewal.
shoggoth80
Member
Member
Posts: 148
Joined: Mon Jun 05, 2017 4:13 am
Location: Seattle-ish, WA

Re: Is it worth it?

Post by shoggoth80 »

I've been asking myself the same thing lately. I've done very, very fond memories of when I first got a C&R. I bought a lot of ammo, and several guns through the big online guys. Usually got good ones back then. Sometimes better than expected, though I usually sprung for VG or hand pick. FFF was pretty new I think at that point.

But, I took a peek at JG Sales for example... and while there's some interesting items that weren't so easily found... they don't seem like good examples to me, and prices are way up. A BS run of the mill wartime production 91/30 is like $350. No. Nope. No way. Not doing that. Dark bores, frosted bores (it's called rust), salt and pepper bores (pitted, but not goners)... at that rate I'd rather save more, spend more, get a better example . The Toks, and Star pistols seem to still be solid at their price point though.

What says the hive mind? Negative Ghost rider? Dunno if it'd be worth it for a handful of pistols, and the occasional rifle.
slayer22
Registered User
Registered User
Posts: 10
Joined: Tue Oct 06, 2020 8:19 am
Age: 43
Location: Cedar Rapids, Iowa

Re: Is it worth it?

Post by slayer22 »

I would say for me it is worth it as I do a fair amount of trading online but if yours is all local it may not be worth your time. The cost is only that of 1 transfer fee.
72 usmc
Gun Junkie
Gun Junkie
Posts: 2833
Joined: Fri Jun 02, 2017 10:28 pm
Age: 68
Location: Menomonee Falls, Wi

Re: Is it worth it?

Post by 72 usmc »

Record keeping and ATF concerns is no longer worth the effort unless you are building a collection mail order and like rolling the dice on $400-$700 firearms. Back 20 years ago I'd say yes, but now very little is at the places like Aim or Classic and all too many have closed. I know of very few guys that buy 5-8 rifles and keep the best and dump the dogs like what went on in the good old days. Most would go on an adventure to Dunhams on Black friday at 4AM to buy 3-8 K31 rifles at $79 each or what was on sale that year to get the best of the best. Back in the late 90s every hardware store or farm store and some sporting shops had batches of surplus rifles and it was a thrill to look through 25 Mosin or Savage Enfield Century Arms boxes that just came into the Fleet & Farm store. You would buy 2 or 3, then be off to the next nearest Fleet & Farm to look over more batches. Heck, I remember when Candyman would buy a crate of Mosins to select the best Hex receivers. The day of nice excellent surplus at $50-100 per rifle is long gone; the Second Golden Age of surplus goodies has ended around 2005-2010. Now what is sold seems like old dogs at 5x the price. For a high price, I got to see the rifle in person. No $500 gambles. Some stores and dealers refuse to take C&R and want you have to do an FFL transfer especially with pistols. And if you are dumping a collection or getting rid of excess it raises a red flag in the book. Gave it up 15 years ago after being burned with mail selected garbage and disputes over condition and sending items back. Nowadays, at todays prices, you are really taking a risk on what you receive by mail order unless it's a seller like Tod at Family, Empire Arms, or Rock Island.
I only trade or buy in person. I have to see and inspect the firearms. If I trade, each gets a copy of the sellers/buyers information for their private records. A red flag is if the seller will not provide his or her DL info. You can bet its a hot potato you best avoid no matter how good the deal is.

I still say the best time for the younger group to buy is when us old guys drop dead and the collection is dumped at a private, smaller bowling ally or gun club gunshows. All the goodies come out of the wood work that have not seen the light of day since the 1960s. Prices are better because the wife, son, or daughter wants the stuff sold. Most of the time for a little more than what the former owner had recorded in his book. Some seen to give vets a deal, others do not sell to dealers, but only collectors or club members, and some have the names on the tag indicating who gets first choice. I have seen some give rifles to kids at shows, just to see their eyes light up because they do not have the money. Better to give them to friends at cost or free- a memory they will remember for their entire life.
I remember when I was in high school, a friend of my dad gave me an original black powder shot gun for Confederate Re Enacting. I still have it. It's kind of funny when trying to dump a collection, when you buy it, its worth gold, but when you sell it, it's junk, worth less than 1/2 the actual value. So I do better trading. At my age it is better to put notes in each case indicating who would like the rifle to go to, that way it goes to the right person. :shhh:

And if into pre1898 antiques, it can go to your house, if it does not get damaged in shipping, or if the democrats stop mail order antiques. :snooty:
To old to fight and to old to run, a Jar head will just shoot and be done with you.
User avatar
LEP
Global Moderator
Global Moderator
Posts: 158
Joined: Sat Jun 03, 2017 8:07 am
Age: 63
Location: El Paso, TX

Re: Is it worth it?

Post by LEP »

For the price of one transfer fee, for 3 years, you can:
Purchase C&R firearms from online retailers, delivered to your house.
You can also purchase from auction sites, delivered to your house, if the seller isn't a knucklehead.
Makes it easier for out of state private sales, since it reduces the paranoia from sellers.
Many online sellers of anything firearm related also give discounts to C&R holders since, for one thing, it's a confirmation of eligibility to purchase items such as ammo, etc..
You may also get advance notice of new products before the general public.
Keeping a bound book isn't that hard and documenting that type of information would be valuable for insurance purposes, as well.

Otherwise, ...........
Post Reply

Return to “C&R License Related Info”