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RIFLE BORE PHOTO GUIDE

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Re: RIFLE BORE PHOTO GUIDE

#16 Post by 72 usmc » Sun Dec 30, 2018 10:59 pm

Here are some British Enfields. First a Jungle Carbine. The dark thing is the flash cone.
JC enfield .jpg
IJC enfield 3.jpg


Here is a British P 14.
Ipits P14 3.jpg
Ipits P14.jpg


Here is a SMLE .410 indian converted shotgun.
Enfield .410 bore.jpg
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#17 Post by 72 usmc » Sun Dec 30, 2018 11:05 pm

Here is a screen shot of Cpl Curley's Enfield SMLE. His photo is just too good not to use. A better camera then mine. :clap:
Screen Shot Cpl Curley photo smle.png

Here is a Long Branch #4 Enfield
#4 long branch enfield .jpg
#4 Enfield  long branch  new 2 .jpg



Here is a U.S. M1 carbine.
I M 1 carbine 2.jpg
M1 carbine.jpg
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#18 Post by 72 usmc » Sun Dec 30, 2018 11:14 pm

Here are some view of Russian Mosins.
First is Cal feds Finnish Mosin, again a great photo I just had to show.
Finnish mosin new bore Calfeds.png

Here is a Chinese T 53 Mosin.
I Chinese t 53 like new bore.JPG

Here is a M44 carbine. One outstanding and one with slight rust spots along the lands.
mosin m44 barrel nice.jpg
Mosin  M 44  with slight rust spots along lands in decent bore.JPG
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Re: RIFLE BORE PHOTO GUIDE

#19 Post by 72 usmc » Sun Dec 30, 2018 11:22 pm

Here are some Turkish imports. Mausers Gew 98s and an M38.
IClose up gew 98 good bore.jpg
ITurk gew 98.jpg
Screen Shot 2018-12-30 at 10.18.10 PM.png
Turk Gew 98.jpg
Here is the M38 Turk mauser.
Turkish Mauser M38 outstanding bore.png
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#20 Post by 72 usmc » Sun Dec 30, 2018 11:27 pm

Here is two different German Gew *88s One with a great bore and one with a poor bore.
IMG_4309  GEW 88 good crown & bore.jpg
gew 88 bore.JPG


The one with the really worn bore Gew 88.
I GEW 88 pitted & worn turk.jpg
IGew 88 pitted 7 worn bore turk 2 .jpg
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#21 Post by 72 usmc » Sun Dec 30, 2018 11:33 pm

Here are some German K98 8mm Mausers.
First a nice bore, second two views of a dark bore.
IMG_5435 K98 bore nice average.jpg
K 98 dark bore.jpg
K 98 dark bore 2.jpg




This is an Israeli converted K98 to .308
.308 Is K98 fair bore.jpg
>308 Is K98 fair bore 2.jpg
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#22 Post by 72 usmc » Sun Dec 30, 2018 11:37 pm

So, please if anyone has an expensive camera that takes better pictures and can add some more views of milsurps, they are welcome to add plenty more. I plan to add a few more, but what you see is about the best my old camera can provide.
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#23 Post by SWIHARTMARK » Mon Dec 31, 2018 8:38 am

Thanks for the extensive research on bores and all the pictures.

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#24 Post by 72 usmc » Mon Dec 31, 2018 7:59 pm

US M1917 Enfield Eddystone
IEddystone 1917 .jpg
Us enfield M1917.jpg
M 1917 US enfield.jpg

US 1903 Springfield
1903 sprinfgfield.jpg
1903 springfield.jpg
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#25 Post by 72 usmc » Mon Dec 31, 2018 8:04 pm

M39 Finnish D barrel Mosin
M39 d barrel finnish mosin.jpg
M39 fin D bal.jpg


1925 Hex M91 Mosin Izzy great bore but ding on the outside edge of the crown- shoots great
25 Hex Izzy mosuin ding.jpg
1925 M91 hex izzy.jpg
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#26 Post by 72 usmc » Mon Dec 31, 2018 8:08 pm

1895 Chilean Mauser matching good bore
18965 chilean mauser.jpg
2 m95 chilean mauser.jpg
M95 chilean mauser.jpg


1916 GEW 98 Mauser
1916 GEW 98.jpg
1916 Gew 98.jpg
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#27 Post by 72 usmc » Mon Dec 31, 2018 8:11 pm

Japanese Type 99, last ditch, non chrome bore
type 99 no chromme .jpg
T 99 non chrome last d.jpg


Yugo rebuilt German K98 with new Yugo barrel
Iyugo k 98.jpg
Yugo k98.jpg
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#28 Post by OLDGUNNER » Tue Jan 01, 2019 11:36 am

Well 72 usmc, let me throw my 2 cent in to this. I say the biggest mistake that most people make is agreeing with your first posting...Sun Dec. 30 7:08 pm, in the 4th paragraph down, “The real accuracy test...” As far as I am concerned this does not have one iota to do with the potential accuracy of any fire arm. I realize that it is believed and accepted by most, unfortunately. I have stated too many times why I think that this is most untrue. But the part about using the segmented steel cleaning rod of course is most detrimentally in my opinion. People will use them because they see that they are for sale...oh, they must know more than I, I shall buy one. One can see a long list, almost endless, of things to buy pertaining to gun maintenance. And people will buy them, that is okay, I just don’t. The only cleaning rods that I use are wooden dowels. I believe in shiny bores....I wouldn’t even consider buying any of the JB paste stuff. Yes, I know it is for sale and people buy it, that is okay.
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#29 Post by OLDGUNNER » Tue Jan 01, 2019 1:20 pm

Boy oh boy - some of thse barrels sure look neglected and abused...but in some cases, maybe most, they can be smoothed up...just the outer most surfaces and rifling edges. The rifling edges don't have to be sharp - the bullet won't care, so long as the bullet will engage. The fact that rifling edges do not have to be sharp can be seen in the Glock bores and such. Some of the old muzzle loaders had just plain hexigonal and octogonal bores - not riflings as such. I have seen pictures of bores that looked almost like square with four sides. There are those that think that smoothing up a bore will damage the riflings - I just don't believe that one bit.

If one takes a baddly rusted bore, as some in the pictures of 72 usmc, and polishes it out to look nice and shiny but with rounded rifling edges and then slugs the bore...and then chooses the 'proper sized bullets' to shoot in it...And then, AND THEN...work up the most accurate load, one can, and then one should have no reason to not expect it to shoot just as accurately as it was when new, or at least almost as accurate - I believe. But that is just me.

There are so many that do not understand and refuse to do that last step in accutrate shooting...in my opinion.
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#30 Post by Ned Christiansen » Wed Jan 02, 2019 11:06 am

That is great stuff sir.

I'd like to suggest a product that I have found useful, the Lyman BoreCam. Optically it's not up to the level of the Hawkeye borescope but it is very convenient to use and puts the image on a screen so all present can see "what's in there". Plus it's pretty affordable at around $300, I think I've seen them at $250-ish. Plus with the Hawkeye I could never get pics, the Lyman takes them itself and puts them on the included SD card. Again not an optical wonder but it's easy to tell if it's a good bore or a bad one.

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