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T-33 and M-57

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T-33 and M-57

#1 Post by M67 » Tue Jun 06, 2017 4:45 am

I like them! From my small collection. M57 is almost unissued.
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Re: T-33 and M-57

#2 Post by Youngblood » Tue Jun 06, 2017 9:28 am

Very nice, M67!

16-17 years ago both TT-33 Variant (the Polish TT-33s were first to appear) and Czech CZ-52 pistols suddenly became available from dealers in the US. I can clearly recall the online photos of cases full of either pistol on SOG's homepage.

The one that caught my eye was the CZ-52 ... the TT-33s appeared "antique" and unattractive to me. So, at that point, CZ-52=attractive and TT-33=not.

It wasn't until I had one of each to work with/on and shoot that things changed ...

While both types are accurate (and 7,62x25 is a HOOT) I found the CZ-52 to be blocky, heavy and uncomfortable. The TT-33 surprised me by being flat, light and comfortable ... it felt natural to me. It wasn't long before TT-33=attractive and CZ-52=not. :)

I wear size Large gloves (long. thin fingers) and my hand fits perfectly on the TT-33 grip (with no grip-length to spare). Even with my thin-leather patrol gloves on, my little finger no longer has a completely comfortable place on the grip.

So ... during cold weather, or when I am working at something while wearing gloves, I carry one of my M-57s.

I had a crossdraw leather holster made by Ross Leather for my Tetejkas. Most holster companies will just label a 1911 holster as a TT-33 holster (I use a 1911 holster attached to the seatbelt root in my truck when I want to have non-carry access to either one of my 1911s or M57s). Ross is actually setup to properly mold the holster for a TT-33.

1911 holsters are fine (close enough) for most situations, but I wanted a proper fit for a crossdraw. ;)
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Re: T-33 and M-57

#3 Post by FamilyFirearms » Thu Jun 22, 2017 5:41 pm

Nice M57 with no safety added! Same with the other gun, lucky you. I collect Tok's and the YUGO is my favorite as well because of the longer grip ( and it has the better of the added on safeties). Great shooting guns and was lucky to stock up on ammo when it was cheap and people trade it in at the gun shows.

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#4 Post by garra » Thu Jun 22, 2017 11:10 pm

After I got rid of my CZ-52, I needed another Tokarev to fire the ammo I had. Finally settled on a M57 as the price of the T-33 has gone through the roof. Here is a picture of it with the after market grips offers by razorarms.com, sure made it a lot more comfortable and removed any recoil bite. I removed the added safety required for importation as well as the lanyard ring so the grip just slipped on with little effort.
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Re: T-33 and M-57

#5 Post by M67 » Fri Jun 23, 2017 2:41 pm

Interesting! I carried M57 as a second weapon from 1991 till 2001. Then it was replaced by the Beretta M92 FS as a official military pistol in Slovenian Armed Forces.
I did not have a good feeling (totally obsolete years before 2000) and I bought it last year just because I carried it 10 years in my military career.

I prefer M57 because of 9 round magazine and because of that bigger handle too. My personal opinion is that It do not need any additional safety, It is made for military purpose.
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Re: T-33 and M-57

#6 Post by Youngblood » Fri Jun 23, 2017 7:08 pm

garra wrote:
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... Here is a picture of it with the after market grips offers by razorarms.com, sure made it a lot more comfortable and removed any recoil bite. ...
<chuckle> You could have walked by or added a text-only response, but no-o-O-O-O-o-o ,,, yoooou had to add a pic of your M57 with its nice, actually-improves-the-shooting-experience, replacement rubber grip.

Thanks for taking the time/effort to add the pic and tell us a bit about its performance, garra! I just ordered one to try on one of my M57s. :)
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#7 Post by DeaconKC » Sat Jun 24, 2017 10:08 pm

garra, that is a fine looking upgrade. Thanks for posting
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Re: T-33 and M-57

#8 Post by S.B. » Mon Jun 26, 2017 3:34 pm

Don't mean to hi-jack your thread but, is the T33s the same as the Russian 1895 Nagant, .32 caliber instead of .30 as marked?
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#9 Post by Youngblood » Mon Jun 26, 2017 7:31 pm

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Don't mean to hi-jack your thread but, is the T33s the same as the Russian 1895 Nagant, .32 caliber instead of .30 as marked?
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They are completely different critters. TT33 is a bottom-feeder and an M1895 is a revolver.
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#10 Post by S.B. » Mon Jun 26, 2017 8:44 pm

Yes, I know and own both and was asking about the bore diameter not the action of each. Sure would appreciate if you'd answer my question, please?
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#11 Post by garra » Mon Jun 26, 2017 9:26 pm

the bullet diameter of a tokarev is .308, bullet diameter of a Russian Nagant revolver is .295

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Re: T-33 and M-57

#12 Post by Youngblood » Tue Jun 27, 2017 7:01 am

S.B. wrote:
Mon Jun 26, 2017 8:44 pm
Yes, I know and own both and was asking about the bore diameter not the action of each. Sure would appreciate if you'd answer my question, please?
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Ahhhh, now I understand the true question in that awkward sentence. Sorry, Steve.

Actually, they are nominally of the same bore diameter, the ol'Russian ".30cal", which appears to be variable (even across firearms of the same type) by a few thousandths.

The groove-diameters on my M1895 is .310 and the TT-33s of mine that I have bore-cast (w/cerrosafe) run ~.309-.311.
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Re: T-33 and M-57

#13 Post by S.B. » Tue Jun 27, 2017 7:58 am

Sorry. Well, to hi-jack even further, when reloading for both 1895s & TT33s what bullet diameter would you use in jacketed?
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#14 Post by Youngblood » Tue Jun 27, 2017 8:36 am

S.B. wrote:
Tue Jun 27, 2017 7:58 am
Sorry. Well, to hi-jack even further, when reloading for both 1895s & TT33s what bullet diameter would you use in jacketed?
After determining the groove-diameter of the bore in question, I would use a jacketed bullet that matched that measurement or one that was slightly smaller.

For example, with a groove-diameter of, say, .310, I would try to find a .310 jacketed bullet or, failing that, .309 or .308.

With lead bullets I would want one that was at least .001" larger than the groove-diameter but could also use a type that was .002" or .003" larger.

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Re: T-33 and M-57

#15 Post by S.B. » Tue Jun 27, 2017 10:44 pm

I've read where the 1895 will foul the center pin if lead bullets are used in it? Making it hard to disassemble.
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