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Origins of Obrea pistols?

#1 Post by S.B. » Sat Jul 14, 2018 4:36 pm

I recently purchased what looks to be a pre war S&W M&P? Marked Obrea on frame, 4" tube, all working parts there except cylinder and crane and frame lug, 5 screw frame. Stamped on grip frame Polica De LaPrvinla Buenos Aiares. Barrel stamped .38 Largo. Warning tag reads "Under no circumstances should they be fired with HOT plus P .38 secial ammunition", hard to do without a cylinder?
Any thoughts or help, please? Who made these Obrea's and where, Spain? Spanish copy of S&W?
I've ordered a S&W model 10 cylinder and crane to see if they fit(5 screw).
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#2 Post by indy1919a4 » Sat Jul 14, 2018 7:45 pm

With out a photo its hard.. But here is a nice little history link..

38 Largo is kinda tough to find, I would think of reloading.. I do not own one & do not know if 38 special will work????

http://www.ai4fr.com/main/page_militari ... orbea.html

But 38 largo has such a sexy name. I almost purchased one once just because of that name...

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#3 Post by S.B. » Sat Jul 14, 2018 9:45 pm

Yes I read this prior to posting but, do you have experience with these pistols or just internet knowledge?
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#4 Post by indy1919a4 » Sat Jul 14, 2018 10:19 pm

S.B. wrote:
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Yes I read this prior to posting but, do you have experions with these pistols or just internet knowledge?
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Again, I handled one, almost purchased one.. But from what I was told by the owner, the pistol was only to be shot with 38 largo..

this was many years ago, and where as I have not actively looked for another or 38 Largo ammo.. I have never seen another or any 38 largo ammo at any show I have been to.

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#5 Post by 72 usmc » Mon Jul 16, 2018 1:04 pm

I thought these were considered junk Sat. night specials. I am not sure what you have - no picture. I wonder if they are safe to shoot? Spanish pistols are on the low quality end and generally sit at gun show tables. This shows some pictures of S&W and Spanish parts see https://www.forgottenweapons.com/eibar- ... -revolver/
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#6 Post by indy1919a4 » Mon Jul 16, 2018 1:55 pm

That is one heck of a nice little article.. Nice brake down photos. Now my only comment is that those pistols in the Article was made for the French military.. Who like the British, they were going to proof them to their standards. Also these pistols were being made to accept Smokeless rounds..

I do question the strength of the 38 largo pistols.. That round is just so in question.. I have heard that it was black powder??? But I have never even seen one before.. Also and this may be cruel, I wonder what kinda of standards the Buenos Aires Police insisted on..??? Considering how many Remington Arms the French rejected, I do think the French were enforcing high standards.

Again that was one hell of an article..

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#7 Post by 72 usmc » Mon Jul 16, 2018 2:21 pm

I had a Ruby and dumped it and the Star was 9MM Largo nothing to get excited about. Finding ammo is getting hard. To my knowledge Largo in 9 x 23 mm is not a black powder cartridge it is post 1901-1903. A Star A is 9mm Largo, while a B is 9 mm Luger ammo which is easy to find. You still can find old 9mm Largo at gun shows. But a Star in 9mm largo is a hard one to dump, more a collector do not fire kind of pistol. They also make batches of new ammo in 9mm Largo. PCI makes it. corrections 9mm Largo in the autos. still around. ammo to go has some at 42 a box.
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#8 Post by indy1919a4 » Mon Jul 16, 2018 2:36 pm

Are we talking 8mm largo or 38 largo??? Personally, I love the 9mm largo round.. It goes into so many wonderful Spanish Pistols and Rifles..

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#9 Post by 72 usmc » Mon Jul 16, 2018 2:55 pm

Opps I was thinking 9mm largo :doh: :snooty: :oops: :oops: :oops:

Actually I was familiar with the 9mmx 23 Largo. I see that your pistol is .38 Largo and I have never seen or fired any of this. I do know it is Black powder cartridge. I do not know if its still made. My collector buddy seems to think that it's similar to a .38 special or .38 Long colt, but he can not remember. So you really got to do some research to see what can be fired or how to load for a Spanish turn of the century pistol when gun makers were switching steel in guns to handle smokeless powder. Getting 9mm Largo is hard enough, but an odd ball like .38 Largo, Yeps. That is going to be as bad as my .32 French Longue in my French autos. Maybe go to the reloading section and post/see if anyone knows to resize or make downloaded .38 LARGOAmmo. This has a picture with a cylinder for that antique.
http://forum.pafoa.org/showthread.php?t=280293
The neighbor collector directed me to this:
Maybe this might help, we really need a revolver/cartridge freak.
https://thefiringline.com/forums/showth ... p?t=435809
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#10 Post by S.B. » Mon Jul 16, 2018 3:12 pm

In Ian's pictues, his revolver seems to be different than mine(I know he picture two different guns)? Maybe up grades were done? Mine, definitely, has a single leaf main spring, amoung other differences? I'll have to wait and see about the interchangeabilitys? Still for under $40 I'll keep it, even if it' a wall hanger.
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#11 Post by 72 usmc » Mon Jul 16, 2018 3:13 pm

Does yours look like the one in the last link .This one: https://thefiringline.com/forums/showth ... p?t=435809
Can you get a photo posted of that pistol ? this one is marked .38 long on the barrel. does yours have markings on the barrel? (.38 long or .38 Largo?)
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#12 Post by S.B. » Mon Jul 16, 2018 3:20 pm

Mine arrived without cylinder or crane and photos of the outside, can be decieving but, yes outwardly.
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#13 Post by 72 usmc » Mon Jul 16, 2018 3:28 pm

Here is one does it have the Orbea mark or HB mark? see reference at botton the book may help. Spanish Handguns by Gene Gangarosa
http://www.ai4fr.com/main/page_militari ... orbea.html

https://www.smithandwessonforums.com/fo ... rrell.html
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#14 Post by indy1919a4 » Mon Jul 16, 2018 3:33 pm

72 usmc wrote:
Mon Jul 16, 2018 2:55 pm
Opps I was thinking 9mm largo :doh: :snooty: :oops: :oops: :oops:
OH Thank God , I honestly could not deal with another odd ball Largo round today...

Hey just to pile on the Spanish called there rifles that chambered 44-40 .. 44 Largo.. :)

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#15 Post by S.B. » Mon Jul 16, 2018 3:37 pm

72 usmc wrote:
Mon Jul 16, 2018 3:28 pm
Here is one does it have the Orbea mark or HB mark? see reference at botton the book may help. Spanish Handguns by Gene Gangarosa
http://www.ai4fr.com/main/page_militari ... orbea.html

https://www.smithandwessonforums.com/fo ... rrell.html
Most of your photos show one with lanyard loop mine does not have one!Emblem on grips isn't the same.
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