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7.65 French Long.

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Re: 7.65 French Long.

#61 Post by 72 usmc » Sat Feb 08, 2020 4:10 pm

Here are views of the cartridges next to each other. The cuts to the Starline brass match up with the original cartridges. I speculate this is why they work in all pistols. I found no report of ejection problems at rapid fire, jams, or bottlenecked cases with Starline brass. If you do, I would look to the pistol's recoil spring or ejector. Or your load OAL and powder.
A comparison of the original steel case, .32 French long and the Steinel/Starline brass case ammunition.
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SWIHARTMARK is saying :
I just pushed the bullets deeper into their cases and now they all fit the chamber. It appears that the case rests on a shoulder inside the chamber, so case length seems to be critical, not overall length. At least, that is how I see it when I put the bullets into the chamber with me just holding the barrel and doing it manually.
So I measured the cartridge length on ten military cartridges and ten Steinel cartridges;
RESULTS:

French Military Steel cases
.777
.770
.775
.776
.780
.775
.778
.776
.774
.777
Average .7758 or round up to 0.776 inch for the case length. Military OAL is listed as 1.191 inch. Note most of my specimens were a wee bit longer than this and OAL differed by year & factory.

Steinel/ Starline brass cases
.771
.772
.774
.771
.772
.772
.773
.772
.773
.773
Average .7723 or round down to 0.772 inches for the case length. Steinel uses OAL of 1.185 inch.
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Re: 7.65 French Long.

#62 Post by 72 usmc » Sun Feb 09, 2020 5:17 pm

To old to fight and to old to run, a Jar head will just shoot and be done with you.

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Re: 7.65 French Long.

#63 Post by 72 usmc » Sun Feb 09, 2020 11:08 pm

For those that have never reloaded or use the ancient, single stage, RCBS press. THE PROCESS with Starline .32 French Brass using old French, steel case, rounds for a powder and bullet source. These all have have dead primers (ATS 1947 headstamp). French primers seem to decay and not fire after 30 years in French ammo.
The high tech, experienced reloaders will get a good laugh on this post :lol: :lol:
The steps & videos my help a few new to reloading. :think:


So I took down 25 French steel cases using the RCBS bullet puller in one press (RCBS JR.) and poured the powder and seated the original bullet into the new Starline brass using an OAL of 1.185. Some of the French bullets were out of spec. I used my second, old, manual, single stage press, a RCBS Jr with CH4D French.32 long special order dies to reload my new Starline brass.

First, I resized the new brass. For the boots :arrow: :arrow: here is a nice video how to set a sizing die in an old RCBS press: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=czUq3uVSUuw
or see this one https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KRXiI5TDUb0

Next, I set the primer into the brass. see this video with the ancient single stage press https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OTBvzVZozW8


Then the bullet would not fit into the newly resized brass, so I belled out the case with the expanding die. see this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j4ALRnpki2g

Next, I pulled the bullet from a French steel case with my RCBS universal bullet puller. These are .309 inches. Some bullets were bad. This powder and bullet was discarded. On the good cartridges, I poured the powder into the new Starline case and set the French bullet into the expanded case. see this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9kccYUqCW2c


Now I am ready to seat and crimp the cartridge. I had to set up my seating & crimp die. See these videos,
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JJp9WZaHbjU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RyRdqY9HUrg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yY60qCMIktE
The crimp produced by the die is not as strong as the original French ammo's crimp. But the bullet does not push back into the newly reloaded Starline case.


Then, as I did each cartridge, I measured the OAL to be sure it was correct for each cartridge as it came off the press. see video if needed;
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LBKvxZL6jBo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hNjiX-OKiWQ

Results: I got 25 reloaded cases with original French powder and bullets to compare to my Steinel ammunition. We shall see the results when it actually stops snowing and is somewhat warm. In theory they should go bang- I was wondering if I should use 1.185 or 1.180 inch for OAL . I will fit each into a barrel tomorrow.

Finished cartridges
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The old French cases had poor quality control on bullets. I show these deformed bullets in a picture below. (not used) I will make dummy rounds with these garbage bullets and left over cases. :clap:
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The old dogs I had since the 1960s, RCBS JR presses :clap:
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