http://www.scoutscopes.comhttp://www.mojosights.comhttp://smith-sights.com

It is currently Tue Feb 21, 2017 1:07 am

All times are UTC - 5 hours [ DST ]




Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 21 posts ]  Go to page 1, 2  Next
Author Message
 Post subject: Turkish Bolt markings
PostPosted: Thu Nov 10, 2016 12:08 am 
Offline
Mil-Surp Collector
Mil-Surp Collector

Joined: Mon May 29, 2006 9:27 pm
Posts: 363
Location: central MI
Age: 52
Just a Quickie..
Do these 2 Bolts Both exhibit typical Turkish markings??
Image

nuther Look
Image

Thanks in advance!!


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Fri Nov 11, 2016 1:59 pm 
Offline
Mil-Surp Collector
Mil-Surp Collector

Joined: Mon May 29, 2006 9:27 pm
Posts: 363
Location: central MI
Age: 52
These Turks are Getting to me ...
What is difference between the "B"s in these two bolts
Turkish
Image
Czech
Image
Or...is it vice verse???
The darn Turkish markings are making me Crazy!!!


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Fri Nov 11, 2016 5:49 pm 
Offline
Benefactor
Benefactor

Joined: Fri Aug 04, 2006 6:44 pm
Posts: 5434
Location: Meno Falls Wi
Age: 64
Odd all of my turks have the Turkish Crescent moon markings or the Crescent moon and star stamp on the parts so the bolt can not be used on a non Turk mauser because its so apparent where the bolt came from with Turk marks. The best find is a Turk with an intact Gew 98 bolt with its German Imperial markings intact ,but lacking a Crescent moon stamp- it can be robbed for a GEW 98 restoration and a common garbage Crescent moon stamped bolt can be put in the Turk. :lol: :lol:

_________________
Don't pick a fight with an old Marine. If he is too old to fight, he'll just shoot you.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Sat Nov 12, 2016 12:46 am 
Offline
Mil-Surp Collector
Mil-Surp Collector

Joined: Mon May 29, 2006 9:27 pm
Posts: 363
Location: central MI
Age: 52
72 usmc wrote:
Odd all of my turks have the Turkish Crescent moon markings or the Crescent moon and star stamp on the parts so the bolt can not be used on a non Turk mauser because its so apparent where the bolt came from with Turk marks. The best find is a Turk with an intact Gew 98 bolt with its German Imperial markings intact ,but lacking a Crescent moon stamp- it can be robbed for a GEW 98 restoration and a common garbage Crescent moon stamped bolt can be put in the Turk. :lol: :lol:

BTDT...What about that darned "B" ???
Is it Czech or Turkish???
Imperial German Markings are fairly well Documented.
Image


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Sat Nov 12, 2016 10:02 am 
Offline
Benefactor
Benefactor

Joined: Fri Aug 04, 2006 6:44 pm
Posts: 5434
Location: Meno Falls Wi
Age: 64
B marked parts are on Brazilian Mausers, but my Brazilian is deep in storage so I can not dig it out. If I remember correct Libertytreecollectors has these B marked bolts shown in there reference rifle pages and they sold them awhile back. My ancient Mac no longer connects with there site so I can not check. The one you show on the lower photo could be a Brazilian due to the B and the mark on the ball. I am just not sure unless I see my Brazilian with a matching bolt. The other B appears just like a prefix on a serial number. That B is not at all the way the Brazilian Mausers are marked.
The 1908 B font is different and sometimes in a circle-- also 7mm. see
http://imageevent.com/badgerdog/cgnmils ... 24&w=0&p=0

https://www.libertytreecollectors.com/p ... oduct=1085

Most of those bolt bodies remind me of the reground and remarked 98/22 bolts- always a mixed bag.

B with a crown on top is a 1896 Swede mauser bolt marking. I just can not remember other mausers with B markings?

That lower bolt reminds me of an 1895 Chilean Mauser bolt with the B and serial number along the stem , but no circle with sun like rays stamped on the ball. My guess that lower bolt is from some South American German or Czech made mauser.

_________________
Don't pick a fight with an old Marine. If he is too old to fight, he'll just shoot you.


Last edited by 72 usmc on Sat Nov 12, 2016 10:27 am, edited 1 time in total.

Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Sat Nov 12, 2016 10:22 am 
Offline
Mil-Surp Collector
Mil-Surp Collector

Joined: Mon May 29, 2006 9:27 pm
Posts: 363
Location: central MI
Age: 52
I'm Starting to doubt that either of the first 2 bolts shown are actually Turkish..that don't look like the crescent moons I have seen...it is more of a Circle.., on the knobs of both.
then??? Those b's Both "lifted" from the net...I believe the first one Is K.Kale mfg, and that the crescent was Obliterated at that spot on the Knob for some reason...Or, the crescent exhists on the flip side, and the obliterated mark would have indicated that it was Not K.Kale mfg and was from another source.
The last one?? is supposed to be Czech...but that "B" indicater, to Me anyway, that it was once installed in a Turk Mauser at a K.Kale Facility.
All I have found, has indicated that Particular "B" is the mark of a K.Kale facility!!!

So...does anyone have a Non-Turkish Bolt, Czech, Belgian, German, Yugo, yea maybe Brazilian...that has That "B" on it??

Thank You


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Sat Nov 12, 2016 10:31 am 
Offline
Benefactor
Benefactor

Joined: Fri Aug 04, 2006 6:44 pm
Posts: 5434
Location: Meno Falls Wi
Age: 64
Give me a day or two and I will dig out my Brazilain and Chiliean mausers with matching bolts and get you photos- I know both have B stampings, but not sure of the font. Libertytreecollectors reference photos show these rifles with lots of pics with the bolt as one of the photos. If you have a newer computer you can get on their site. Mine is 12 years old. :oops: :cry: Maybe tonight, I am gone today.
I will check my FN made Israeli .308 K98 to see if the bolt has B markings?????

_________________
Don't pick a fight with an old Marine. If he is too old to fight, he'll just shoot you.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Sat Nov 12, 2016 10:36 am 
Offline
Mil-Surp Collector
Mil-Surp Collector

Joined: Mon May 29, 2006 9:27 pm
Posts: 363
Location: central MI
Age: 52
72 usmc wrote:
Give me a day or two and I will dig out my Brazilain and Chiliean mausers with matching bolts and get you photos- I know both have B stampings, but not sure of the font. Libertytreecollectors reference photos show these rifles with lots of pics with the bolt as one of the photos. If you have a newer computer you can get on their site. Mine is 12 years old. :oops: :cry: Maybe tonight, I am gone today.

No Hurries..I have just been curiouser and curiouser!!!
I'll drop in to Liberty Tree..My mac goes there fine, and it is Not New...But, I use Firefox as a browser on everything!!!!

Thanks for helping me satisfy this!!!


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Sun Nov 13, 2016 12:12 am 
Offline
Benefactor
Benefactor

Joined: Fri Aug 04, 2006 6:44 pm
Posts: 5434
Location: Meno Falls Wi
Age: 64
1908 Brazilian Matching 7mm mauser a B but that is the only one
Attachment:
IMG_0209.JPG
IMG_0209.JPG [ 3.2 MiB | Viewed 607 times ]


1895 Chilean mauser 7mm matching A "C" code not B , but some have a B where the C is placed.
Attachment:
IMG_0210.JPG
IMG_0210.JPG [ 3.14 MiB | Viewed 607 times ]


Attachments:
IMG_0211.JPG
IMG_0211.JPG [ 2.95 MiB | Viewed 607 times ]

_________________
Don't pick a fight with an old Marine. If he is too old to fight, he'll just shoot you.


Last edited by 72 usmc on Sun Nov 13, 2016 12:32 am, edited 2 times in total.
Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Sun Nov 13, 2016 12:20 am 
Offline
Benefactor
Benefactor

Joined: Fri Aug 04, 2006 6:44 pm
Posts: 5434
Location: Meno Falls Wi
Age: 64
1930 Greek FN mauser 8mm bolt
Attachment:
IMG_0212.JPG
IMG_0212.JPG [ 3.19 MiB | Viewed 606 times ]

Attachment:
IMG_0213.JPG
IMG_0213.JPG [ 3.48 MiB | Viewed 606 times ]



Yugo 24/47 8mm Mauser bolt miss match forced match bolt
Attachment:
IMG_0217.JPG
IMG_0217.JPG [ 3.28 MiB | Viewed 606 times ]

Attachment:
IMG_0218.JPG
IMG_0218.JPG [ 3.52 MiB | Viewed 606 times ]



FN Israeli .308 FN Mauser mismatch bolt
Attachment:
IMG_0226.JPG
IMG_0226.JPG [ 2.65 MiB | Viewed 606 times ]

_________________
Don't pick a fight with an old Marine. If he is too old to fight, he'll just shoot you.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Sun Nov 13, 2016 12:26 am 
Offline
Benefactor
Benefactor

Joined: Fri Aug 04, 2006 6:44 pm
Posts: 5434
Location: Meno Falls Wi
Age: 64
1954 ATF Turk mauser matching bolt 8mm
Attachment:
IMG_0215.JPG
IMG_0215.JPG [ 3.36 MiB | Viewed 605 times ]

Attachment:
IMG_0216.JPG
IMG_0216.JPG [ 2.91 MiB | Viewed 605 times ]


1893 Turk Mauser 8mm bolt
Attachment:
IMG_0221.JPG
IMG_0221.JPG [ 3.85 MiB | Viewed 605 times ]



Czech 98/22 8mm non Turked
Attachment:
IMG_0222.JPG
IMG_0222.JPG [ 3.48 MiB | Viewed 605 times ]

Attachment:
IMG_0223.JPG
IMG_0223.JPG [ 3.08 MiB | Viewed 605 times ]

_________________
Don't pick a fight with an old Marine. If he is too old to fight, he'll just shoot you.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Sun Nov 13, 2016 12:29 am 
Offline
Benefactor
Benefactor

Joined: Fri Aug 04, 2006 6:44 pm
Posts: 5434
Location: Meno Falls Wi
Age: 64
Persian VZ 24 Mauser 8mm matching bolt
Attachment:
IMG_0219.JPG
IMG_0219.JPG [ 3.64 MiB | Viewed 605 times ]

Attachment:
IMG_0220.JPG
IMG_0220.JPG [ 3.46 MiB | Viewed 605 times ]

_________________
Don't pick a fight with an old Marine. If he is too old to fight, he'll just shoot you.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Sun Nov 13, 2016 12:12 pm 
Offline
Mil-Surp Collector
Mil-Surp Collector

Joined: Mon May 29, 2006 9:27 pm
Posts: 363
Location: central MI
Age: 52
Ok..Thanks so I have seen that "B", which looks like the same font on every "B" I see on Mausers
But, in the circle That seems to designate "Brazillian"
This
Image

is the Underside of your 95 Chilean

this
Image

is the underside of your 1930 Greek FN.
and this
Image

is the underside of your 98/22


Is that correct?

and the only "B" in the Bunch, is Brazillian


Now...as a sideways glance...
if this Persian mark on the bolt
Image
had a circle around it, it may well be this?
Image

I find this whole Bolt Marking thing...very confusing, and am More Deeply Intrigued, the more I look into it..
Thank you. Very enlightening...

Now if I could see some more "B" s....

Edit; I'll get to "K" s later!!! LOL


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Sun Nov 13, 2016 4:47 pm 
Offline
Benefactor
Benefactor

Joined: Fri Aug 04, 2006 6:44 pm
Posts: 5434
Location: Meno Falls Wi
Age: 64
Yes, those markings are the under side, all other bolts shown have no underside markings, hence I did not post an underside photo. The Persian crown is on both of my persians and is like the one in my photo. Not sure what that black bolts mark is????.

_________________
Don't pick a fight with an old Marine. If he is too old to fight, he'll just shoot you.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Sun Nov 13, 2016 6:02 pm 
Offline
Mil-Surp Collector
Mil-Surp Collector

Joined: Mon May 29, 2006 9:27 pm
Posts: 363
Location: central MI
Age: 52
72 usmc wrote:
Not sure what that black bolts mark is????.

LOL...Me and you both!!!
Bolt is numbers matching tho...Collar and all!!!
be careful...This bolt marking thing may yet get to you too!!!!
Frustrating...yet fascinating...
Next I'm gonna get me a bolt with a teardrop or a Pear shaped knob...Just fer grins!!!!


Top
 Profile  
 
Display posts from previous:  Sort by  
Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 21 posts ]  Go to page 1, 2  Next

All times are UTC - 5 hours [ DST ]


Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 2 guests


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot post attachments in this forum

Search for:
Jump to:  
Powered by phpBB® Forum Software © phpBB Group
FAIR USE NOTICE: This site may contain copyrighted material the use of which has not been pre-authorized by the copyright owner. Such material is made available to advance understanding of political, economic, scientific, social, art, media, and cultural issues. The 'fair use' of any such copyrighted material that may exist on this site is provided for under U.S. Copyright Law. In accordance with U.S. Code Title 17, Section 107, material on this site is distributed without profit to persons interested in such information for research and educational purposes. If you want to use any copyrighted material that may exist on this site for purposes that go beyond 'fair use', you must obtain permission from the copyright owner.