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PostPosted: Mon Feb 28, 2011 12:00 am 
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I just installed an S&K scout scope mount on my M95. It works great. see install:
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I boresighted the rifle/scope with a laser before heading to the range. At first, I used 1938 German milsurp ammo at 50 yds. I thought that I'd get it on paper, but was very surprised at the results...see the target.
I shot a total of 44 rounds the S&K scope mount performed flawlessly, holding perfect zero with a cheap scope, some 1938 ammo and a pre-WWII rifle. See the proof in the targets below. The S&K mount is as solid as can be and I wished that I'd gotten it earlier. The Long eye relief scope is not difficult to use.

Disclaimer... reload at your own risk. My loads may exceed what little published reload data there is for the 8x56R. I do not advocate loading over maximum published load data, so I must say DO NOT USE MY LOAD DATA. At first, I tried published data but it was really weak and gave low pressure problems: sooty cases, no recoil, severe blowback. With the loads below, I had no high or low pressure problems or indications of approaching either. It was too cold for my chrony to work this weekend in Alaska, so I do not have velocities. However, none of my loads were as loud or gave the savage recoil of the milsurp ammo.


Loads that I used... Some worked better than others, but all 5 shot groups were under 2.5 inches.

.330 Hornady 205 grain bullet (Graf and Sons) 44 gr IMR 4064

.330 Hornady 205 grain bullet 45.9 IMR 4895

.330 Hornady 205 grain bullet 46 grains Varget.

.330 Hornady 205 grain bullet 47 grains IMR 3031.

.329 Bufallo 150 grain spire point 47 grains IMR 3031.

.329 Bufallo 150 spire point 46 grains Varget

.329 Bufallo 150 spire point 44 grains IMR 4064.

.329 Bufallo 150 spirepoint IMR 4895 46 grains.
Yes, I used the same charge for 150 and 205 grain bullets. The Hornady 205 grain are made by Prvi.


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PostPosted: Mon Feb 28, 2011 10:38 pm 
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Thanks for taking the time to post all the info. I've been waiting for someone to make a mount for the M95.


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PostPosted: Wed Mar 02, 2011 9:47 pm 
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I bet that 47gr of 3031 whomped on you a bit!
I stopped at 45 grains.
I am using 47.5 grains of 4895, with good results

Love the scope mount! And I thought I was getting swanky, with a Lyman receiver sight!


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PostPosted: Thu Mar 03, 2011 2:28 pm 
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challengerI wrote:
I bet that 47gr of 3031 whomped on you a bit!
I stopped at 45 grains.
I am using 47.5 grains of 4895, with good results

Love the scope mount! And I thought I was getting swanky, with a Lyman receiver sight!


Actually, the IMR 3031 load was not nearly as bad (recoil) as the nazi ammo. I'm glad to see some some load data is getting out to other shooters. We will have to make our own. IMR/Hogdon folks said they had no plans to develop 8x56R data. I do not plan to load any hotter than I do now.


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PostPosted: Thu Mar 03, 2011 8:44 pm 
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Yup, 47.5 gr 4895, with a 206gr pill, is about all I want to sit behind. I'm in the process of mounting a Lyman receiver sight, and THAT should help raise my impact point! :D


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PostPosted: Mon Mar 07, 2011 1:58 pm 
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challengerI wrote:
Yup, 47.5 gr 4895, with a 206gr pill, is about all I want to sit behind. I'm in the process of mounting a Lyman receiver sight, and THAT should help raise my impact point! :D

Are you mounting the SME 57 Lyman backwards? I heard of a guy doing that.


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PostPosted: Mon Mar 07, 2011 9:51 pm 
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This particular Lyman sight is for the Winchester Model 70. The info I dug up show's it mounted on the left side of the receiver, but didn't say as to the reticle being mounted backwards. I'll find out, when the sight arrives.


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PostPosted: Mon Apr 04, 2011 3:10 pm 
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Ok, I have my Lyman receiver sight, for the M70 Winchester, and it does mount on the left side of the receiver, and the reticle mounts correctly. The sight base fits well, on the receiver ring, as well.

Ya'll have fun!


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PostPosted: Sun Jul 24, 2016 12:34 pm 
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good shoot today, I shot a rifle (long barrel) with a scout mount scope (2x7x32)Nstar) with 17 gr's of accurate #9, this was pretty accurate. 14-15 gr's of trail boss is the best load for my guns. but 13 gr' s of TB in a steyr carbine put five shots inside of a 1inch square at 25 yards. Iron sights if you please, and they shot to point of aim. red Dot is not a good powder for my guns. all loads where with a 215gr' Lee #90775 gas check bullets. 24 gr.s of H4895 works pretty good also.


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PostPosted: Wed Jul 27, 2016 10:37 pm 
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well, I lied about the red dot. I loaded up a bunch of cases with 9gr's 10,11,and 12 gr's of Red dot and they shot just fine in one rifle and two carbines.l Trail boss is still a very good load with my bullets of about 215gr. 13 or 14 gr's of TB are good for what I shot today. I have two other carbines and their barrel are .334 and .337. I'll have to get a .338 mould for those guns. I got about a 1/2 inch 5 shot group with one carbine with iron sights at 25 yards.(OK, that's about as far as I can see with iron sights) and yes, it was off a bench rest.
the upper left is a three shot group and the lower left is a five shot group and yes, all was done at 25 yards but I'll still a very happer camper with these groups(and I poured the bullets and added the gas checks my self)


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PostPosted: Thu Oct 06, 2016 7:13 am 
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Very interesting . I've hardly shot mine but will look at that mount. Any idea how much to reduce load for 8x50?


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