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Springfield Armory M1 Carbine, Blowback CO2 .177cal BB Rifle

Posted: Wed Jan 23, 2019 5:18 pm
by 72 usmc
For the M1 guy that has everything . New release for 2019 at the air show a M1 carbine BB rifle. :doh: :shifty:
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Springfield Armory M1 Carbine, Blowback CO2 .177cal BB Rifle on the market to be offered April 2019, around $200 for a BB gun and you do not get a sling> :think: it reminds me of the old Crosman M1 carbine BB rifle, but much more realistic looking and blow back action. Unfortunately a plastic stock :( However there may be an optional wood stock- then I order one :drool: :drool: :drool: :drool:
At the show ... ow-part-2/
The stock
The stock is synthetic, but it is extremely well done. It feels solid and the wood grain looks the part. I am a Carbine afficionado, so this is more than a fanboy opinion. Springfield Armory nailed it! However, for those who absolutely cannot touch anything that is not real, a wood stock is an option. And, may I remind you that Mr. Spock assures us that nothing unreal exists!
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Count me in Scotty!

Preorders Pyramydair or my favorite Air gun depot. ... rifle.html ... Rifle/4662

Here is the old Crosman M1 see ... un-part-1/ ... un-part-2/

Springfield vs Crosman
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Re: Springfield Armory M1 Carbine, Blowback CO2 .177cal BB Rifle

Posted: Thu Jan 24, 2019 10:02 am
by 72 usmc
Down on the list is a wood stock, airsoft toy, M1 carbine at around $378. Not bad for realistic markings, but it's an airsoft, plastic BB model with the stupid orange tip. This is the Marushin Full Metal, Real Wood, M1 Carbine CO2 Airsoft rifle. Better markings are found on the Japanese made Marushin airsoft replicas. I figure a wood stock addition most likely will add another $100 onto the new Air Venturi, Springfield armory, M1 steel BB rifle. A pellet version would also be a better seller in a wood stock. Photo source is Evike, a great company to buy airsoft replicas from. Top notch, great service. This model is old and no longer available. If you have seen one in person, the wood stock makes the replica perfect- well almost :roll: :lol:
review by some jokers that take airsoft toys way to serious

Re: Springfield Armory M1 Carbine, Blowback CO2 .177cal BB Rifle

Posted: Sun Jan 27, 2019 11:53 am
by 72 usmc
Here is a new view from Air Gun Depot at the show of the Air Venturi produced Springfield, BB, M1 carbine in plastic stock around $200:

Confirmation on the wood stock version by Air Venturi priced at $299. :think: :shhh: :shhh: :shhh: Plastic stock model $200, a nice wood stock $299. :dance:

It in the first part of the review, click the time line to get it going- some kind of glitch :think:

I wonder if the Zemak alloy action would fit into a real M1 stock and just drop in??? :think: :think: Ans: Nope :x :roll:

Interesting they do not even know if an original bayonet will fit?? Who's is designing this stuff?
Although the stock of the M1 carbine BB rifle is synthetic, it actually looks very realistic. Tyler told me that a regular M1 wood stock will fit, however, and that Air Venturi may even sell wood stock kits for enthusiasts to make that upgrade.

There’s bound to be many questions about compatibility of the M1 carbine BB rifle with the firearm original. Will a bayonet fit, for example. Tyler said that they are looking into such questions, but – of course – there were so many accessories for the M1 carbine that this could be a lifetime project!
Source: ... ramyd-air/

HOWEVER on one of the comments from guy that has a real M1 and the Springfield BB gun states:
Its made in Taiwan so Springfield’s involvement amounts to a trademark. Still a nice touch.

Check out yesterdays blog for a pic of the rear sight mounting exposed. No dovetail there for M1 sight to mount to just two square cut outs and it’s wider than a real M1 sight so you can’t just transfer the screw adjuster assembly.

I checked out the bayonet lug and it seems to be the exact same set-up as an M1 Carbine. However it is made of aluminum and may not stand up to any real use or rough handling. Just for display. Airsoft may have a plastic bayonet?
Now for the somewhat bad news. It will not just drop into any stock designed for a real M1 Carbine. It may with some work. The trigger/ magazine area of the receiver is wider around the trigger. (see pic) The upper mount point / tab is about a half inch longer, also aluminum, and looks to be utilizing a wood screw instead of a machine screw that goes through the stock and engages a nut imbedded just behind the trigger. I have not taken it apart to see if the rest of the stock inside matches a real M1 stock yet.

Would be nice to have a folding or sliding stock option though. Hint Hint !
Bob M
picture is from Bob M post.
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So maybe Tyler is full of beans and most likely does not own a real M1 carbine :naughty:

No listing at Air Venturi of any wood stock models??? ... 1-carbine/

No picture of the box or listing of what Taiwan company produces this rifle? No one is offering spare magazines, or any preorder on a wood stock version.
Lets hope it functions better than the bad news bear Legacy Citadel M1carbine - .22 caliber reproduction made by Chiappa, Italy. A real loser.

Re: Springfield Armory M1 Carbine, Blowback CO2 .177cal BB Rifle

Posted: Mon Jan 28, 2019 7:35 pm
by 72 usmc
Pyramid Air just offered spare magazines at $35. :clap: ... 5_rds/8701
photo source from above:
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The base shows the CO2 screw:
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The best quality reproduction of the M1 carbine sling is found" At The Front" store. For $20 bucks you get a reproduction oiler and sling. ... swwcws.htm

Maybe by April they will list the proposed wood stock version at $299. :pray: :think:

Re: Springfield Armory M1 Carbine, Blowback CO2 .177cal BB Rifle

Posted: Wed Jan 30, 2019 11:39 am
by 72 usmc
It appears that the markings are not cast into the metal. This is both good and bad. Most of the safety warning can be subdued or removed and the S & F on the safety is easy to cover. And the Made in Taiwan can also be removed or subdued. The plastic hand guard does not have the real rivet holes and up close that plastic stock is a real bummer that screams "cheep junk" that is lacking cartouches. These can easily be added/reproduced on a wood stock model because there are so many Fake stamps for US GI rifles on the market. :handgestures-thumbdown: The more I see of close up views of the plastic stock, I just want to :puke-front: . I sure hope a wood stock version is produced, otherwise it just is not worth the money. :handgestures-fingerscrossed: :ugeek: See bottom videos of a quality that can be replicated, why not on this Taiwan stuff?????

The white markings:
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Missing details on the receiver ( the receiver has in white paint only "US CARBINE" not the true markings found on an M1 Carbine) It would have been nice if these were cast into the receiver like the Japanese made Marushin Full Metal, Real Wood, M1 Carbine CO2 airsoft rifle reproduction. Japanese reproductions are always more accurate reproductions when it comes to the small details that really add to the quality of the rifle. Taiwan made reproductions just do not go that little extra effort to make a quality piece that would sell like crazy to collectors. They seem to produce for the kids BB gun/shooter market. We shall see if it comes in a nice collector box or a hard shell blister wrap.

Look at the quality difference on some of these airsoft Japanese made M1 reproduction toys:


Second so -so video. A real goof, but it shows the rifle:

Re: Springfield Armory M1 Carbine, Blowback CO2 .177cal BB Rifle

Posted: Wed Jan 30, 2019 11:41 am
by 72 usmc
Stock cartouches that could be added to a wood model with the faker stamps:
Note these are real cartouches. All one really would need is the P .

Re: Springfield Armory M1 Carbine, Blowback CO2 .177cal BB Rifle

Posted: Wed Jan 30, 2019 12:11 pm
by 72 usmc
From what I can see from the few photos, there is no effort to reproduce an actual M1 carbine bolt either flat or round. The Springfield Carbine has one based on function for a BB gun - sort of a roundish flat bolt. While not an accurate reproduction, it does not look to bad. For pictures of real bolt shapes and carbine details for those that do not own a few carbines see this link:

The Springfield M1 Carbine oval bolt:
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Re: Springfield Armory M1 Carbine, Blowback CO2 .177cal BB Rifle

Posted: Wed Jan 30, 2019 12:56 pm
by 72 usmc
This is the quality one would think the BB gun version could offer, but then it is not a Japanese made, high quality reproduction, Tiawan should wake up: see
King Arms CO2 Powered Gas Blowback M1A1 - Paratrooper Model airsoft toy

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photo from hobby asia

Re: Springfield Armory M1 Carbine, Blowback CO2 .177cal BB Rifle

Posted: Sat Feb 09, 2019 12:26 pm
by 72 usmc
Get this, Pyramid Air now offers a preorder on a wood stock version of the Air Venturi, Springfield Armory, M1 Carbine BB rifle. Taiwan made, not the best quality for heavy use, but it looks like a nice keeper. The rifle has the same logo with a F inside a pentagon found on some KWC, Umerax BB guns, therefore it may be made by KWC- the Kien Well Toy Industrial Company of Taiwan. No pictures of the box or packaging, nor are there any detailed photos of the wood stock version posted yet. However, you can sign up to receive an email, when they come on the market. Then consider your options at that time . Most likely in May or June? :think: ... /4662#9631

Lets see, they offer special sales on certain Holidays- approximately 6 -12 % off the price, and if you find a friend that has never purchased from them, they are FIRST TIME BUYERS. They order for you, then you also get a first time buyer discount of 10% on the total purchase. So, if you time it right, maybe 20 % or less off with free shipping because it will be over $150. List price will be approximately $299. So maybe I can get one at around :shhh: :shhh: :shhh: :shhh: :shhh: $240.

Re: Springfield Armory M1 Carbine, Blowback CO2 .177cal BB Rifle

Posted: Wed Feb 20, 2019 4:21 pm
by 72 usmc
Consider a DENIX non firing replica is $270, the wood version Springfield armory BB carbine is in the price range at $300; and at around 270, the Dendix has a lack of attention to details & markings. Kind of goofy looking. My money would be on the wood BB version.
some close ups --about the same appearance as the BB gun

They also have the Denix Replica M1A1 Paratrooper Carbine, Non-Firing Replica at $205.00 Most of these Denix replicas/prop guns are nasty looking.

Re: Springfield Armory M1 Carbine, Blowback CO2 .177cal BB Rifle

Posted: Thu Feb 28, 2019 9:24 pm
by 72 usmc
Some have asked if a real M1 bayonet will fit the BB gun. At the show, the booth crews did not know and had no reproduction or real USGI bayonets to fit onto the show rifle. The bayonet mount piece is Zemak metal not real USGI steel. Zamak is an alloy that is part of zinc & aluminum. Like aluminum, it cracks easily. So we will have to wait till some receive their rifles to actually be able to fit either a reproduction or original bayonet. A tight fit would be bad, and maybe the resulting struggle to get it off, ending up with a broken bayonet mount. I guess the cheep bayonet mount can be filed to fit, or if one buys a reproduction bayonet, it can be filed to fit. So two options: file the reproduction bayonet or the Zemak bayonet mount. Reproduction M1 carbine bayonets are cheep at about 30 bucks. Original M1 carbine bayonets are to valuable to modify for some junk BB gun replica. Reproduction bayonets are HERE :see Keep shooting:

Or a higher quality reproduction at : ... y-antiques

Just remember the Replica, Springfield carbine's bayonet mount is not real steel, hence the Zemak metal mount may crack very easily. It might be ok for show. If a bayonet fits tight, you can file the reproduction bayonet's channels so that it fits on nice and easy. But, I bet if you stick it in the dirt, the bayonet mount bar will crack under any moderate use. It is more like "A for show only thing" and maybe not worth the effort & expense. I do not know if a real USGI Type 3 front band will fit the BB carbine. If it does, one can switch out the parts; well maybe? I just wonder how close the BB replica parts are to a real USGI carbine's parts. I am not sure if the parts are identical in dimensions. At least it's a cheep fix. An original type 3 band and lug is approximately 30-55 bucks.

:idea: To me, this is a more interesting proposition. Does one really want a bayonet? It would be neat to to fit a Type 2 or Type 1 front band and a reproduction rear flipper sight to the BB carbine in a wood stock. Sort of make an early WW II M 1 carbine version. Then one does not need a bayonet & type 3 front band. :shhh: :shhh: :think:

Of course, the barrel may not be painted/finished under the band it comes with... more work :shhh: :doh:
A new reproduction type 1 band is is approximately 25-35 bucks, while a reproduction flipper rear sight is 20-30 bucks. So for, let's say, 50-70 bucks one might be able to convert the carbine to an early model. I just have to wait and see the degree of interchangeability between the BB gun Taiwan made parts and the real USGI parts. I will let you know when they come on the market. NorthridgeInternational gun parts has reproduction type 1 front bands ($25) and reproduction flip sights ($30): ... =30&page=2

Lets hope the wood stock will consist of a solid wood and not be hollow like the plastic stock. It should allow for added fake cartouches and more heft to the reproduction. In addition, if the cheep Chinese finish is nasty,
at least real wood can be re-stained a correct Brownell's Chestnut Ridge military brown stain. :think:

There are very few photos of the wood stock model: This is the only one pyramydair shows:
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Re: Springfield Armory M1 Carbine, Blowback CO2 .177cal BB Rifle

Posted: Wed Apr 03, 2019 7:50 pm
by 72 usmc
The planned production date of April has been moved into June 2019. (Estimated in-stock date 06-05-19) I think more realistic from the past preproduction items where the in-store date is moved back 2 or 3 times, it may be as late as July 2019. I wonder if the wood version will be made in limited numbers due to cost. Most BB gun shooters will buy the plastic garbage. I see Air Gun Depot does not even offer a wood version on preorder :snooty: :think: :think: :think: :think:

Re: Springfield Armory M1 Carbine, Blowback CO2 .177cal BB Rifle

Posted: Wed Apr 10, 2019 10:04 pm
by 72 usmc
Here is a view of the box. Not what I would call a nice historic collectable box with great graphics. But at least its a stinking box and not cheep bubble wrap. This is the Plastic Stock version. Still no info. on how the wood version will arrive and how limited its production will be.
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For comparison here is an original military M1 Carbine with a canvas magazine pouch on the stock. The overall look of the CO2 model is very close except for the darker, aged wood on the original gun.
part 1 page 1 :lol: This must be Adler's idea of a joke. :snooty: :roll:

Dennis Adler did a review in 3 parts on the BB M1 carbine replica, but fails to indicate what if any real carbine parts interchange with the BB replica. No mention if a reproduction or Real USGI bayonet easily fits the bayonet stud. Dennis, buy a bayonet for the thing? Maybe inform potential buyers where quality reproduction accessories can be purchased. How about some useful information! No mention if the oiler slot is correct in size and if the rear sight can be interchanged. I assume a real sling & oiler should fit the BB carbine??? Well, maybe? Is the sling ring metal or plastic and is it actually strong enough to carry a sling? Or is it cheep Zemak that will snap off if the toy is carried by its sling? How strong is the bayonet lug? He did not even measure the square slot on the BB gun's sight mount vs the triangular slot notch on a real M1 carbine ??? Sort of a useless review that fails on particulars and how close it is to a real USGI carbine. No close up views of any of the internals. He provides a sort of half a.. history of the carbine. He needs to reads Larry Ruth' s War Baby Vol 1 thru 3.

So, there is not much information of value to a potential buyer because while he has access to the plastic stock BB version, he does not show any internal parts or its take down. There is no information, no comparison to a real USGI carbine's parts- are they to scale-can some be interchanged- mainly the front band and rear sight. Heck, he does not even show that a USGI stock will not fit and the inletting differences to the different wood wood stocks. He fails to compare real USGI markings and the lack of them on the toy BB rifle reproduction. Most likely he does not own, nor shoot, a real USGI carbine, and therefore he can not provide any actual measurements or fitting/interchange of parts for those that may want to switch out to real steel parts (sight , Band/bayonet lug). And it is doubtful that the BB carbine's longer, thicker magazines will fit into an actual M1 pouch or even a replica? This fact would also be important to know. What is needed is an incisive review with some insightful details & facts.

This is a 3 part disappointment. No one seems to actually have their hands on the wood stock model. I would venture to guess most collectors will want a wood stock version. Kids, the cheep plastic toy. He does show some nice photos. At least the white markings are held down. I just wish at least the receiver markings could have been molded into the receiver for added realism. This is what is need on the Springfield BB shooter not stinking cheep white paint:
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How do you say cheep ---use white paint and not even replicate a correct marking :confusion-confused:
View of the Springfield M1 carbine's plastic model markings
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The Tiawan company missed the design boat on that one. They need to take lessons from the Japanese; better markings are found on the Japanese made Marushin airsoft replicas.

There is no mention of the actual company producing this BB rifle, sort of odd. Is it a stinking secret? It could have been a huge seller to real USGI carbine collectors except for its lack of details. Could you imagine a numbered, limited edition of this carbine in a wood box or really nice cardboard box, a collector's rifle with a few of the correct markings added, Numbered 1 of #, with a reproduction bayonet, sling & oiler, and a magazine pouch for the stock all in one box for sale to collectors??? :clap: :o Then, maybe, offer different versions like an early war, paratrooper stock, and the late war Korean version. Potential lost. Chinese idiot designers have no idea how to sell goodies to a collecting market. Come on guys, it's important enough to have the Springfield logo in paint, but not to have the correct M1 carbine receiver markings molded into the receiver ?? No correct front or rear top receiver makings replicated, but plenty of white paint warnings. So close to perfection-- but still a few miles away. I bet preorders are way down. :whistle:

So the picture of the box, some close up views of the magazine, and the fact it shoots on target out to 10 meters is about all the useful info found in the review. :violin: :snooty:

Review part 1 ... ne-part-1/

Review part 2 ... ne-part-2/

Review part 3 ... ne-part-3/

Re: Springfield Armory M1 Carbine, Blowback CO2 .177cal BB Rifle

Posted: Sun Apr 14, 2019 9:45 am
by 72 usmc
Here is a new much better review video on function with the Springfield logo M1 made in Taiwan. Not in China. Shows some of the details. You can see "Made in Taiwan" in the video
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:arrow: :idea: Now, as a contrast view these airsoft plastic 6mm shooter M1 carbines.

Here is the Taiwan King Arms plastic GBB version. A review showing quality & better details that makes the Taiwan, Springfield M1 stock look like garbage for $200. More like a $60 toy! I wonder what the Springfield wood quality will be????
What a difference in details and manufacturing capability. Too bad King Arms does not make the BB Springfield rifle.
And in German, (Sprechen Sie Deutsch?) but the King arms Paratrooper M1 carbine video review-- And Springfield /Taiwan can not make such an equally nice BB firing Carbine :?: :evil:

Here is the Japanese made, Marushin Arms, plastic GBB version review. Japanese quality Marushin Vs Taiwan king Arms plastic BB shooters.

Re: Springfield Armory M1 Carbine, Blowback CO2 .177cal BB Rifle

Posted: Mon Apr 15, 2019 10:24 am
by 72 usmc
Here is a question? :idea:
Lets see if Dennis can do a real review. :geek:

Can the internal metal on the Springfield M1 rifle be switched out / taken out of the garbage plastic stock, and placed into a King Arms paratroooper wood stock? In other words, can a person just switch out the stocks between the two manufactures to get the best of both worlds?????

That is some better information to know. Switch out the GBB plastic toy guts ($350) with the better sounding and shooting Springfield BB shooter's guts ($200). One could put the airsoft gun back into the cheep, plastic, Springfield, Taiwan stock and give it to a kid to have some fun with. Costly because one would have to purchase both rifles to end up with one nice example. But an idea :think: :shifty: :shhh:
SARCO makes a reproduction wood stock for a real USGI carbine($149), but those would not interchange.