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 Post subject: M44 bolt question
PostPosted: Thu Dec 15, 2016 4:32 pm 
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I think I know the answer just want to confirm, but a bolt.out of a M91/30 will work in an M44 correct?

I'm way out of the Mosin game, but trying to get back in. Found a guy selling a M44 for $75 but missing the bolt and top handguard, where could I get both.

I'm a sucker for sub $100 rifles


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 Post subject: Re: M44 bolt question
PostPosted: Thu Dec 15, 2016 6:54 pm 
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Yes it will fit. Bolts are going for 85 bucks. Not sure who has the wood.

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 Post subject: Re: M44 bolt question
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Correct any Mosin bolt should work and headspace. While I have a field gauge I have never found a bolt that did not headspace. Now some may be tight and not smooth, so they may take some work polishing and hand fitting . M44 hand guards are on ebay all the time from $12-18 bucks. I think libertytreecollectors and springfield sporters have both bolts and wood. You should be able to get Tula or Izzy parts to match it up. see
http://www.ssporters.com/mosin-parts-s/168.htm

also check if its a beat old dog chinese M44 called the Type 53. Sort of = to a M44 but on the cheep side. You want a Tula , Izzy or better yet, a Romanian or Polish one :thumb: Look out for cracked stocks and counterbores.

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 Post subject: Re: M44 bolt question
PostPosted: Thu Dec 15, 2016 10:12 pm 
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Currently waiting on a picture from the seller, will advise on make

Already know about them T53s I've got one on order from Omega Weapons for $99 shipped. Suppose to be dirty, non matching but functional

Got field gauge and no-go gauges on way from okie

What's bad about counter bore?


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 Post subject: Re: M44 bolt question
PostPosted: Thu Dec 15, 2016 11:13 pm 
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Got some pics, turns out missing trigger guard/magazine and screws as well


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 Post subject: Re: M44 bolt question
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crazysarge16 wrote:
Got some pics, turns out missing trigger guard/magazine and screws as well


you will need to chase up the folding bayonet as well

I think Liberty has all these parts

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 Post subject: Re: M44 bolt question
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:roll: :roll: Lots of missing parts, add up costs for Izzy parts you might be better off just buying one at a gun show. Id say 50 bucks cost of the stock. Check your bore is it a sewer pipe or nice average bore . For collectors a counter bore is bad news, but as a shooter it actually improves a worn bore's accuracy where the rifling is missing at the end of the bore. By the time you get the parts from multiple sources and pay shipping x 2 or maybe 5 x I think you will be putting too much into a dog????? Parts have really gone up sky high.
Link to liberty https://www.libertytreecollectors.com/p ... ategory=17

Lets think hand guard 25-25
trigger guard complete 25-40
bayonet 50
bands 15-20 I see these in the photo so you do not need them consider the cost lowest price shipping.
trigger group screws 15
bolt 50- 85

approx $180 on the low end and shipping
so the rifle at $50-75 :o :hand: :doh: and parts at $180 you got $255 into a $250-300 M44 at a gun show :think: :think: :think: :think:
add a cleaning rod and sling you are at $300. I would buy one at a gun show complete. A counter bored force matched line out with a huge import mark on the receiver can still be had at 200 or less if they really do not know about mosin price spikes.

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 Post subject: Re: M44 bolt question
PostPosted: Fri Dec 16, 2016 3:22 pm 
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I ended up getting it, we haggled a little bit and seller had some other stuff I needed as well so get a new build plus some parts to finish an existing.

Just need to find trigger guard & screws, handguard, and complete bolt. The seller was able to provide me with the bayonet and screw. I'm going to try to find Izhevsk marked parts to at least match. But beggars can't be choosers

The bore is counter bore but I don't mind that. The stock is going to be refinished, has alot of scratches to original finish but no deep gauges. The metal is in good shape, only a few marks that need to be touched up.

Overall I'm happy with it. Get a new rifle to clean up, restore, and keeps me out of trouble. Plus, half the fun is finding the parts. Probably not the best deal, but at least rifle found a good home and won't be sporterized


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 Post subject: Re: M44 bolt question
PostPosted: Fri Dec 16, 2016 6:36 pm 
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I would go with Springfield Sporters and get Izzy parts, maybe the handguard on line or Libertytreecollectors. That way it's postage only two times. About refinish, just do a rub and maintain the dings and dents-- see some old posts. Glad you got the bayonet that makes it easy on the wallet.
see viewtopic.php?f=28&t=134897&hilit=+refinishing+woes

viewtopic.php?f=83&t=132278&hilit=+mosin+finish

viewtopic.php?f=83&t=116974&hilit=+mosin+finish

viewtopic.php?f=83&t=106714&hilit=+mosin+finish
Looking forward to photos of the finished product =D>

A good Mosin black cold blue to touch up that mark on the receiver is G 96 brand gun blue creme. It produces a mosin black not the colt blue.

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 Post subject: Re: M44 bolt question
PostPosted: Fri Dec 16, 2016 8:00 pm 
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Springfield was actually sold out of Izzy marked bolt, so I went with Liberty Tree

I'll be sure to post pictures as I go


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 Post subject: Re: M44 bolt question
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I have always got great stuff from them although they are not shy with shipping.

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 Post subject: Re: M44 bolt question
PostPosted: Sat Dec 17, 2016 12:43 am 
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So far, in parts ordered I've got an additional $130 and change in the rifle. I plan on trying to pick up a sling and cleaning rod at a later date.

Was starting to get the rifle ready for restoration and noticed part of the stock is cracked. Thought I'd ask here as well as post in the stock forum as well. Slight crack, but still needs to be dealt with


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 Post subject: Re: M44 bolt question
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Do you still need a trigger guard an action screws? I have both laying around in my parts bin


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 Post subject: Re: M44 bolt question
PostPosted: Sat Dec 17, 2016 11:23 am 
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I've ordered them through Liberty Tree, but have sent you an email and pm inquiring about them


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 Post subject: Re: M44 bolt question
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about the crack see Candymans stickys. Use only Devcon 2 ton epoxy -cheep route, but fantastic glue that is firm. You can just glue it, and/or pin it and glue it then do the stock rub. I would use Devcon 5min 2 ton epoxy and pin from the inside. :thumb:
The two glues I have found that work best is 1) Brownells Acraglass BEST and 2) Devcons 2 ton epoxy a cheep route. (Ace hardware stores) The use of other cheep glues will cause a failure; no hot glue, elmers or gorilla glue- they tend not to stick to oil in wood. If you pin use bamboo or fishing rod pins and save the drill hole dust/chips to mix with devcon to hid the pin holes. Kind of makes a matching wood putty to fill the top of the hole. The smaller the pin the better. You can also use brass pins. I would just open the crack with an exacto blade as a wedge to hold it open so some glue can be inserted. Then put/rub glue in with a sheet of thin plastic in order to allow you to rub it in on both sides of the crack or use a diabetic hypodermic needle to force glue into the crack. remove exacto blade wedge and allow the crack to close down on the glue. Wipe off excess glue, then clamp down. Then put pins in if you want addition strength. Or you can do it Candyman's way by removing wood and use fiberglass cloth, but then use Acraglass as the glue. If you are good you can insert thin needle like pins at a slight angle from the inside: just do not drill through the out side of the stock and no one will see pin holes. But a good wood dust putty covers the tiny holes pretty well.

Fix a crack see viewtopic.php?f=137&t=73356

Candymans general repair links are here: viewtopic.php?f=83&t=136048

see my post with active links in this larger post:
viewtopic.php?f=83&t=147247
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ee old posts and Candymans stickys
viewtopic.php?f=83&t=146366&hilit=+fix+a+crack

viewtopic.php?f=83&t=143254&hilit=+fix+a+crack

viewtopic.php?f=83&t=143685&hilit=+fix+a+crack

viewtopic.php?f=83&t=136890&hilit=fix+a+crack

The experts posts are here :
viewtopic.php?f=83&t=136048
viewforum.php?f=137

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