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Springfield Armory M1 Carbine, Blowback CO2 .177cal BB Rifle

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Re: Springfield Armory M1 Carbine, Blowback CO2 .177cal BB Rifle

#31 Post by 72 usmc » Thu Aug 08, 2019 9:12 pm

Just got my email the WOOD STOCK MODEL IS BACK IN STOCK AS OF 8 Aug 2019. :dance:
This should provide some better reviews\!
Per your request from 2019-07-22 we are letting you know that the following item:
Springfield Armory M1 Carbine, Blowback CO2 .177cal BB Rifle
http://www.pyramydair.com/s/m/Springfie ... gn=instock

is now in stock and ready for shipping.

If you are still interested in this item feel free to order it any time.

Thank you,
Pyramyd Air Sales
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Re: Springfield Armory M1 Carbine, Blowback CO2 .177cal BB Rifle

#32 Post by 72 usmc » Sun Aug 11, 2019 10:08 am

Airgun papa has an interesting and informative review:

How to transform the Springfield M1 sight to an elevation & windage adjustable for about 27 + shipping depending on who you order from.
Things I would have changed: The non-adjustable peep can be replaced. I bought a KENSIGHT ADJUSTABLE REAR SIGHT ASSEMBLY for the standard centerfire M-1 carbine. I took out the adjustable ramped elevation assembly from this sight and put in place of the CO2 Springfield Armory non-adjustable ramp assembly. It fits right in as the windage adjustment screw is the same diameter with the same thread pitch. You need to use the Springfield Armory windage adjustment assembly screw, end nut and keeper and use a 1/16" diameter ball bearing for the tensioner part that is located in the bottom of the elevation adjustable ramp and it works perfectly.
source PA review
comment I assume he means the original M1 carbine, Kensight base ball bearing is utilized on the BB rifle, not that one has to hunt down a new additional 1/16 ball bearing to complete the job????? This is unclear to me since I do not have a rifle in hand.


Kensight link: https://stores.kensight.com/m1-carbine- ... ear-sight/
also Midway, Brownells & Amazon prices vary $26-40, cheeper than originals that go for $50-70 bucks.
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Kensight Adjustable Rear Sight Assembly M1 Carbine Steel Matte with Peep Aperture
Product #: 775265 Kensight #: 860-102 UPC #: 755377861029
Kensight Adjustable Rear Sight Assembly M1 Carbine Steel Matte with Peep Aperture
$26.99


SPRINGFIELD M1 CARBINE REAR SIGHTSPRINGFIELD M1 CARBINE REAR SIGHT
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High Quality Reproduction Of The Factory Original

Modern, high-quality reproduction of the original rear sight makes restoring your M1 carbine easier and the final job look authentic. Patterned after the factory rear sight using modern CAD/CAM design techniques and wire EDM cut from 4140 bar stock for tight tolerances. Features audible clicks for precise windage adjustment and preset range increments for elevation adjustment.

Thank you Air gun papa for a great informative review at PA. :dance:

Notice the difference between an original M1 carbine sight adjustment screw & nut and the Cheep Springfield M1 carbine sight adjustment screw that must be retained to make a switch to an elevation & windage adjustable sight from the "guts" of the Kensight. That end nut is very different from the original. You can not just switch complete sight assemblies because the base mounts are very different on each rifle. The mount notch is a different shape & maybe a different size, hence you best just use the central ramp assy. or "guts" from the reproduction Kensight. I have not actually done this to the Springfield carbine. I am relying on the review instructions. I hope to get a later model and maybe put an early flipper sight onto mine if they produce a paratrooper version next year.
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Re: Springfield Armory M1 Carbine, Blowback CO2 .177cal BB Rifle

#33 Post by 72 usmc » Sun Aug 11, 2019 10:40 am

If you read James' review at Airgun Depot and Airgun papa's review at Pyramyd Air- both had issues with the magazine spring jumping out of the magazines. Both provide repair solutions & needs for adjustments to the magazine to function. So the Springfields M1 magazine is problematic. For $35 each, I'd send the defective mag back Asap. It must be luck of the draw or cheaply made Chinese junk lacking attention to details & functionality. At this early time, the magazine is so far the worst manufacturing problem reported with this model. Added 19 Aug : as reviews come in it appears the magazine is a bag of worms. Few have concerns with the rifle itself, except for the rear sight! That is good.

James indicates;
...the magazine spring jumped out of the raceway through the widened locking slot for the follower tab for the first two attempts at pulling it back to load. I had to drive out the pin at the bottom of the housing and remove the lower guide to get the spring free to replace it. It jumped again. The second time I noted the spring was arching up during compression and the coils were catching on the edge of this widened area so I smoothed out the edges and the problem was solved.
Airgun Papa indicates:
To fix the problem with the magazine spring jumping out of the raceway, I drove out the pin at the bottom of the housing and removed the lower guide and replaced the spring. I noted the spring was arching up during compression and the coils were catching on the edge of this widened area. I smoothed out the edges and the problem was solved. Also, the upper hand guard was loose and rattled badly. I removed the fore-end furniture and put some rubber material at the rear edges of the handguard that fit under the receiver ring and a second piece at the forward end. This provided a snug fit and ended the rattle.
And Nick in a PA review had slightly different problems with the magazines:
The magazine that came with the gun broke immediately, the BB pusher needed to be repaired. I ordered a spare magazine and after the first CO2 cartridge the seal came out with the empty cylinder. I had to glue it back. So I've had issues with the magazines, both I was able to fix but still had problems. I hope this was a unique circumstance as I really like the gun.
Joverton indicates:
My mags leaked to! They're leaking around the screw in cap! will be contacting PA!
So there are some issues with leaking seals or possible the rifle is C02 cartridge specific like other some other BB guns. Try different C02 cartridges. The Umarex seem to work best. Problematic are the cheeper Crossman cartridges in non USA BB guns. Also, be sure to use some Pelloil on the seal. Stick to one brand because after long use it imprints a ring on the seal from the correct size for the cartridge tip and switching brands can cause leakage due to different size tips/fits. No reviews state what C02 cartridges they are utilizing in the situations that leak. I use one of these as the first cartridge on a new air gun to lube the insides: ASG Ultrair 12-Gram CO2 Lubrication Cartridges, then follow up with the Umarex brand. A CO2 gun depends on its rubber O ring like seals to hold in the gas. These C02 seals as well as other internal seals need a thin luberication to stay soft & receive less wear. Pelloil is great as well as Luberication C02 cartridges. Special airgun Silicone oil the best. Also, I never let a cartridge sit in the gun after use. Take it out so the seal does not get a crushed down imprint from the cartridge tip. Never leave it sit in an airgun for long term storage, really bad for a seal.
There are two problematic points where the C02 valves in an air gun can leak. The first spot is the O ring like seal in the C02 holder/magazine where the C02 cartridge is pushed in, pierces the cartridge seal, and is held against the seal allowing air to enter the gun. The second spot is the valve stem seal that releases air to the transfer port orifice that drives the projectile down the barrel. When the trigger is pulled the rifle bolt or the pistol hammer hits this release valve pushing the metal or plastic stem in the seal and allowing the gas to enter the chamber/barrel. Both seals got to be in good condition & have Pelloil applied to a new air gun. Check all wear spots on the moving parts. Some guns arrive dry out of the box and a wee bit of silicon grease or Pelloil goes a long way in the lifespan of a less expensive $200 airgun.
Notice, few of the less expensive guns have seal repair kits offered. They want you to buy another $200 air gun :shhh:

Likewise Robert in a PA review said:
It looks great so real shoots great easy to load what more do you want I had a problem with the magazine spring called pyramydair they sent a new one also a good company to do you air gun buying.
Mark in a PA review had a problem of paint wear & fit:
One Item I would change is the magazines they began to chip and slip very quiclly.
Peter at PA also notes cheep paint: Not a real blue:
I would like if the paint used on the magazine could be more durable. Paint wore off after the first loading.
Stephen in a Pa review states:
Things I would have changed: the magazine is well done however the little piece of plastic that allows you load is very very bad, it breaks so easy..please replace this little piece and you will have a wonderful bb gun .
Ricardo at PA states:
I almost returned it because of BBs rolling down the barrel. However, after swapping magazines this issue almost disappeared. The magazine I was using had a broken follower and that may be the cause, lets see. It still happens sometimes, when two BBs are loaded or after loading the rifle (pulling and releasing the bolt on the first shot) and lowering the barrel. I did not give 5 stars because of this issue. The provided Allen key is 6mm not the normal 1/4.
I am having an issue with broken follower. This is the second magazine with this problem.
The first two are the Best 2 reviews so far for information (They may be the same person??? :think: )- a must to check out if you purchase a BB carbnine.
Can anyone provide some close up views of the magazine and this spring and maybe a photo of one where it came out of its tract?
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Re: Springfield Armory M1 Carbine, Blowback CO2 .177cal BB Rifle

#34 Post by 72 usmc » Sun Aug 11, 2019 6:47 pm

Some views of the M1 carbine magazine taken from on line sources, I am waiting to buy a later version of this carbine.I could not find close up views of the BB spring and slide edges. Notice how easily the finish comes off the magazine & rifle wear spots.
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The side notches wear and cause problems engaging the magazine.
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The red arrow points to what must be the rough edge that causes the spring to pop out.
With so many already reported problems , I wonder if they plan a second revised generation magazine with improved edges and/or spring? It sounds like there are going to be plenty of returned magazines during the short 90 day warranty period.
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Re: Springfield Armory M1 Carbine, Blowback CO2 .177cal BB Rifle

#35 Post by 72 usmc » Sun Aug 11, 2019 7:39 pm

Here is a great view of the Taiwan Springfield M1 carbine's rear sight and odd sight adjustment screw & its nut unique to the BB reproduction rifle. Looks like everything was made as cheep as possible including the non functional sight ramp :arrow: I do like Airgun Papa's idea of switching parts so one has a functional sight on the wood model BB carbine. :clap: :dance: Perfection.

I would also remove or subdue the stinking white paint. Too bad the receiver marking is not stamped into the metal. I do not like the plastic stock, sorry, but it is nasty & cheep looking. OK, for a kids $100 bb rifle. I can not wait to see more reviews on the wood stock, since the wood stock model is being shipped out as I type. No reviews on disassembly or its action removed from the stock? I found out Airgun Papa is a airgun gunsmith that repairs vintage airguns & has many reviews of items sold at PA. Check out all his reviews- he knows what he is talking about.
Source PA web sight photo shot
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Re: Springfield Armory M1 Carbine, Blowback CO2 .177cal BB Rifle

#36 Post by 72 usmc » Mon Aug 12, 2019 7:35 pm

Too many are asking. For information only.
For those that missed the earlier link. Some of the cheep reproductions have the wrong size metal end and do not fit. Here is the best quality reproduction sling & oiler. At the Front is great for WW II re-enactors goodies- best of the best. :dance: :whistle:
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source: At the Front photo

https://www.atthefront.com/WWII-M1-Carb ... swwcws.htm

I have not ordered this one, but here is the works- a package deal with everything for your BB carbine:
https://www.atthefront.com/product-p/uspkgm1c.htm

Remember: there are still no reports indicating if the larger & fatter airgun magazines actually fit a USGI carbine mag pouch. But even empty, they look great on a carbine. These reproductions are 1/1 for a USGI magazine fit. PLEASE -Someone with a rifle needs to try the fit for the airgun magazines. The Reproduction bayonet does fit the Springfield M1 BB carbine mount. Original USGI bayonets also fit, but are big bucks. I'd rather have a reproduction in case I lose it. A nice reproduction here. https://militaryantiquesmuseum.com/swor ... y-antiques
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Re: Springfield Armory M1 Carbine, Blowback CO2 .177cal BB Rifle

#37 Post by 72 usmc » Mon Aug 19, 2019 8:43 pm

Possible problems with Crosman Co2 cartridges
Various mags
You could keep in mind from Element two that I had difficulty loading quite a few distinct brands of CO2 cartridges into the magazine. They had been just also fat to match in very easily and I had a issue obtaining the initial one particular out following it was employed up. A single brand that was especially tricky to load was the Crosman cartridge. So, Tyler Patner from Pyramid Air sent me a distinct magazine, and I returned the magazine from this rifle, along with the Crosman cartridge that was also significant. That way he can see what I’ve observed and, if there is a issue, perhaps they can repair it. Tyler also sent me a new box of Crosman cartridges that I began today’s test with. There was no issue loading them into the new magazine. I do not believe you will expertise the very same issue I had, though if you do, Pyramyd Air now knows about it.
Source Tom Gaylord see SPRINGFIELD ARMORY M1 CARBINE BB GUN: ELEMENT THREE | AIR GUN WEBLOG
By Jonathan Blackmore - July 18, 2019
Link: https://survivalskillz.com/2019/07/18/s ... un-weblog/

More close up views of the problematic magazine. Photos from Baker Airguns. photo shots
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