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 Post subject: MKIII Serial Number
PostPosted: Fri Feb 10, 2017 9:09 pm 
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New member and first post! Got a question about my Enfield.

The serial number is B 1. Is 1 the actual serial number? I'm not very familiar with Enfields so I'm not really sure how their serial numbers were issued. The date is 1942.


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"B1" is it?
That's the whole serial number?
No, as far as I know no Lee-Enfield ever left any factory with a number anything like that. :shifty:

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 Post subject: Re: MKIII Serial Number
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Tommy Atkins wrote:
"B1" is it?
That's the whole serial number?
No, as far as I know no Lee-Enfield ever left any factory with a number anything like that. :shifty:


Yes, B 1 thats it. I'll post a pic tomarrow


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I've got a BSA No4 MK1 with a three digit SN 688, doesn't follow normal SN guidelines either.

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From the limited info I'd guess scrubbed & renumbered for some reason.

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Here is a pic. B 1 is also stamped on the bolt handle, nose guard and barrel. This is a Lithgow, 1942 rifle


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FTR is "Factory Thorough Repair", Britspeak for a total overhaul/rebuild.
That's an odd place for a serial number too.I'm guessing it might be "81", not "B1"?
That would translate to '44 rifle rebuilt t the factory in 1981
Is there a brass screw going left<>Right through the wood just in front of the magazine?

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 Post subject: Re: MKIII Serial Number
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Tommy Atkins wrote:
FTR is "Factory Thorough Repair", Britspeak for a total overhaul/rebuild.
That's an odd place for a serial number too.I'm guessing it might be "81", not "B1"?
That would translate to '44 rifle rebuilt t the factory in 1981
Is there a brass screw going left<>Right through the wood just in front of the magazine?



I don't see the brass screw you mentioned and it is definitely a B and not an 8. The number is stamped in the correct place, on the right side of the receiver ring and on the bolt handle, barrel and nose guard and the rifle is dated 1942

Thanks for the info!


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I've never seen FTR markings like that. Can't think why anyone would fake them though. :think:

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Serials on RSAF (I know this aint RSAF) made arms start with 1 and run to 9999. Then it becomes A1 and runs to A9999. Then it becomes B1 and runs to B9999? etc. etc.

So B1 is a good serial number by my reckoning. Unusual, yes. But no more unusual than B9999

When it gets thru Z9999, it starts back at 1 again? So this could be the 10,000th one numbered or the 260,000th?

These markings look to be applied with single hand stamps, and not very well done. So who done it?
Armourer?, Bubba?, Billy Bob?, Bruce?

Would a factory remanufacture a rifle to new condition with rigid specs and then put stamps on it that look like a dogs dinner? Maybe an apprentice at 8 o'clock on a Monday morning or 5 o'clock on a Friday afternoon?

Having this number on receiver, bolt, nose cap etc. tells me that whatever it is, it is being used as the serial number. I think that that is what it is.....


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 Post subject: Re: MKIII Serial Number
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Thanks for all the info so far! My dad bought this rifle back in the late 70's before fake stamping was so rampant. My collecting "expertise" is mostly on the M1-Carbine, the fake stamps and parts for that rifle has exploded in the last 10 years, not sure how bad the "fake" market is with Enfields


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This sure is an interesting thread. B1 it looks to me also.

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I've got a 1917 no.1 mk 111 mfg by Enfield with the sn B7. i.lll try to post some photos . .................Bob


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I'm curious about this if it was a really low serial number wouldn't they use leading zeroes to prevent overstamping?
I've seen firearms, but not specifically Enfields with numbers like "00004556"

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The short answer is no, no leading zeros.

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Bolt number 4 is on the loose somewhere in Newfoundland.

RSAF numbers began at 1 and started counting up.

The above are Lee Metford trials carbines. They ran numbers 1 to 100.
When the production carbine was released in 1894, the serial numbers were reset back to 1.

RSAF WWI production of the Sht.LE ran through the cycle of numbers and prefixes four times I believe, so there will be multiple rifles out there with exactly the same serial numbers. Ie. four rifles will have B1 as their serial.


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