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Yugo M48 Series?

#1 Post by ffuries » Sun Jan 14, 2018 7:57 pm

We (Wife and I) put a numbers matching M48 on layaway, can one tell the series M48, 48A, etc by the serial number or is it only possible by the traits?

This rifle has a K50816 SN, sorry no pictures, didn't think to snap any before it was boxed up and stored away.
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Re: Yugo M48 Series?

#2 Post by Greenmachine » Sun Jan 14, 2018 8:32 pm

It will say either M48 or M48A right on top of the receiver, right under the Yugo crest.

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Re: Yugo M48 Series?

#3 Post by 72 usmc » Mon Jan 15, 2018 12:30 am

M48- 1950-1952 all parts milled of solid steel. Marked M48 below crest
M48A- 1952-1956 Marked M48A on the receiver ring below the crest. Mostly a stamped floor plate and stamped parts
M48BO- 1956- Unmarked receiver
see Branko Bogdanovic's pb book Serbian & Yugoslav Mauser Rifles. North Cape Publications

Yugo reference: click on model # to see pics: https://www.marstar.ca/html/reflibrary/yugoslavref.html

Libertytreecollectors Ref. library M48Yugo mauser see https://www.libertytreecollectors.com/p ... ategory=82

see http://www.breachbangclear.com/yugoslav ... lsurp-gem/

crest markings see gunboards http://forums.gunboards.com/showthread. ... d-markings
Milsurps knowledge library:
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Re: Yugo M48 Series?

#4 Post by indy1919a4 » Mon Jan 15, 2018 12:41 pm

Hey I do have a question...

On the chart in the https://www.marstar.ca/html/reflibrary/yugoslavref.html

It showed M24s in WW II But then shows M24/47 & m24/52s as not being in WW II

I realize that these rifle was refurbed after after the was, but that does not mean they were
not used in the war.. Am I missing something there???

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Re: Yugo M48 Series?

#5 Post by 72 usmc » Mon Jan 15, 2018 2:29 pm

These rifles are the last of the 'M-24' series straight bolt Yugo Mausers and were all produced after the Second World War. The '/47' and '/52' designations reveal the starting dates of manufacture (1947 and 1952 respectively).
The model 1924 were certainly around but the rebuilds started post WW II in 1947 and 1952 on those beat M1924s. That is my take. See Bogdanovic 2005: 153-165. Repair and refurbishment of the German K98ks started in 1946, the Model 24/47 started in 1947 from converted rifles M1924 and the new rebuilt rifles assembled as model 1924/47. And he goes on to the 1924/52... Way to detailed to review. So since the rebuilds are done after 1945 - no a M24/47 made in 1947 or later was used in WW II. They were used in all the crazy conflicts after WW II. However the parts used in a 24/47 may have been on a M1924 that saw action in WWII. So I guess the answer is yes & no depending on how you think about it. :think: But no marked 24/47 was yet built in 1945. Get a copy of his book Serbian & Yugoslav Mauser Rifles
Model 1924 have different crests and markings. Here is my bring back all original M1924.

see carteachos old SRF post that was a former sticky viewtopic.php?f=25&t=371
also more info from former SRF sticky. I do not know why we no longer have stickys of the better informative posts???
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Re: Yugo M48 Series?

#6 Post by indy1919a4 » Mon Jan 15, 2018 5:12 pm

SO If I am fully understanding you the rebuilds took M24s that were broken down to their components and then the 24/47s and 24/52s were more or less rebuilt from Scratch???

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Re: Yugo M48 Series?

#7 Post by 72 usmc » Mon Jan 15, 2018 7:04 pm

I do not know about the rebuild process and how far they actually tore the m1924s down. I believe they got new barrels and sights more like the M48. Receivers were scrubbed of the old markings and restamped with the Yugo crests and marked 24/47. I do not own a 24/47 only the m1924 , M48 and M48A - all are good shooters. Hence I can not compare them side by side. I deal more with the odd ball Yugo K98ks. Maybe someone can outline the rebuild process. The few Yugo 24/47s that I saw at Fleet & farm looked like new refurbished rifles. They had Century import marks. It would make sense that they were rebuilt like new.That was about 10 years ago. There are few books in English on these Yugo mausers.
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Re: Yugo M48 Series?

#8 Post by indy1919a4 » Mon Jan 15, 2018 7:33 pm

Many thanks for your insightes, but I would still have to consider these rifles from WW II because they were... It's nothing more than what the Israelis did to all their Mausers when they converted them to 7.62x51.. And the Israeli Mausers I have went through WW II..Perhaps the big thing for the guy who came up with the
chart saying that they were not is the fact that the M24s were wiped of most of their identities in the refurb process.. Unlike the Israelis mausers who just got a few more stamps on those parts...

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Re: Yugo M48 Series?

#9 Post by 72 usmc » Mon Jan 15, 2018 7:52 pm

After searching some other forums I can go with that. It sounds like a Mosin rebuild where an almost identical rifle to the M1924 was rebuilt using good old parts like the Russians did to the Mosins. Taking WW II rifles and reusing parts to make a new rebuilt rifle called the 24/47. The rifle as a 24/47 was not a WW II creation, but its parts are all from WW II rifles with maybe a few new parts as required. Basically a rehashed WW II rifle. :doh: It was restamped a 24/47, got a new crest, a new serial #, and the factory name on the rifle. Like I said the ones I saw were like new, unissued at $129 about 10 years ago. I was always after the Yugo K98s. :doh: I know its difficult to find an intact, unmolsted M1924 rifle still wearing its original sling and cleaning rod and matching parts. Maybe I need to redo the old SRF photo documentation of my safe queen.


Here are some tid bits from other forums:
Beginning in 1947, many of the old rifles and barreled actions on-hand were upgraded and rebuilt into serviceable arms to further bolster the military and satisfy their need for equipment. The guns were converted using new and old parts and were stocked in new and/or used stock wood identical to pre-war Model 1924 rifle stocks. In the cases where older stocks with VZ24 type side-swivels were used, the side-mounted hardware was removed and the holes plugged with dowels. These became known as the Model 24/47. It is not unusual to find recycled older walnut stocks mated with later production handguards of walnut, beech or elm.

Most M24/47 stocks were made of walnut, though in rare cases, red oak can be encountered with the earlier M24/47 profile. During late conversions, wood of the M48 profile began to periodically be used and one can encounter beech and elm stocks with the beefier M48 type stock wrist.

In 1952, the focus of work on rifle refurbishment shifted away from the M24/47 and towards the M24/52 rifle. The chief difference being that the M24/52 was based on refurbishment of standard length actions, primarily older VZ24’s, while the M24/47 program was based on refurbishment of the intermediate length Yugoslavian M1924 actions available to the Yugoslavian government in the post-war timeframe (usually originally manufactured either domestically or by Fabrique National in Herstal, Belgium before WW2). Virtually all M1924 pattern rifles in Yugoslavian inventory during the late 1940’s were converted to the M24/47 standard which apart from a straight bolt handle, was functionally identical to the later M48 series rifle. The M24/52 was also patterned similarly to the M24/47, but obviously based on the slightly longer standard M98 action.
source: https://www.milsurps.com/content.php?r= ... a-Zastava)

Only the pre-war Yugoslav Model 1924 Mausers are in a serial sequence that can be traced to specific production years.

As you may know, the 24/47s are scrubbed, refurbished/rebuilt Model 1924 rifles that had the original markings obliterated and received new serial numbers. They were quite frequently fitted with new barrels, but otherwise used parts from other Model 1924 rifles. The 24/47s were all done post-war, until about the early 1950s, I believe.
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Yugoslav M24's were most ASSUREDLY used in WW2 -both against and by the Germans (after Germany took control of Yugoslavia).

Post WW2, what was left was refurbished, usually rebarrelled and restocked, had the old Imperial Yugoslav markings removed and Communist markings added. Then most were put into heavy grease and put into long-term storage. Some though continued to be used in conflict right up to the present day,
source http://forums.gunboards.com/archive/ind ... 17357.html


Guys, we really need to check facts before posting answers. This is how incorrect info keeps living on, and on, and on.

The Yugo M1924 and M24/47 are BOTH intermediate length actions. The M48 and all it's variations are intermediate length actions.

Normally the 24/47 has a straight bolt handle and the M48's are a bent bolt handle.

The Yugo M98/48 (captured K98's) is a full length action. There is a quarter inch difference in length.

The Yugo M24/52C (VZ24) is a full length action.

Top two are intermediate length and the bottom is full length.
Two M48's and a M24/52C
lots more and pics see madcratebuilder comments source: https://thefiringline.com/forums/showth ... p?t=501243

This history is sweet and worth a print out. :arrow: :clap: :dance: I just found this very interesting history. A MUST SEE:

The Rifles of Yugoslavia and Serbia by Michael Kreca and Dan Reynolds

http://www.carbinesforcollectors.com/yugoserb1.html

M-24/47 Mauser Short Rifle
In 1947, the first postwar Yugoslav Mauser rifle, the short action 7.92x57mm M24/47 appeared but the "new" M24/47 rifles were rebuilds using recycled Belgian, Yugoslav, German, Belgian and Czechoslovak parts. Model 1924 walnut stocks were used and the carbine version stocks had their rear side swivels removed and the hole plugged. New stocks were made as required. The first of these postwar versions, the Model 24/47, is almost identical to the Model 24 except for the presence of the Yugoslav communist crest (a star atop two symmetrical curved sheaves of grain surrounding a row of six torches each representing the six Yugoslav "republics": Slovenia, Croatia, Bosnia-Herzegovina, Montenegro, Serbia and Macedonia, located above a scroll with the date 23.VI.1943 - June 23, 1943, when the structure of the postwar Tito government was first officially established in Jajce, Bosnia-Herzegovina. The left side of the receiver ring was marked M24/47 and the left receiver wall was marked in Serbian Cyrillic "Preduzece (Enterprise or Establishment) 44" (the old Military Technical Institute at Kragujevac).
from above history

indy1919a4 an interesting discussion, Thanks
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Re: Yugo M48 Series?

#10 Post by 72 usmc » Mon Jan 15, 2018 8:20 pm

ffuries is most likely shaking his head at all of this. I hope he gets his M48
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Re: Yugo M48 Series?

#11 Post by 72 usmc » Mon Jan 15, 2018 8:22 pm

ffuries is most likely shaking his head at all of this. I hope he gets his M48. The serial number on a M1924 model can be used to date the rifle,but not on a M48. :shhh:
Only the pre-war Yugoslav Model 1924 Mausers are in a serial sequence that can be traced to specific production years.
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Re: Yugo M48 Series?

#12 Post by ffuries » Mon Jan 15, 2018 9:28 pm

I've got two M24/47's one of which you can make out the ghosting of the Fabrique Nationale d'armes de Guerre stamp on the siderail. So I assume that this one is from the original batch made in Belgium between 1926 - 1928.
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Re: Yugo M48 Series?

#13 Post by boltactionbill » Fri Jan 19, 2018 1:54 pm

I love my M48. It has an excellent bore and muzzle crown so it shoots great.
I added a Timney trigger which improved the accuracy greatly over the horrible original Yugo trigger.
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