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Please help date my new M78 Vetterli

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Please help date my new M78 Vetterli

#1 Post by KneverKnew » Fri Apr 19, 2019 5:19 pm

Please help identify the manufacture date of my new M78 Vetterli.

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Re: Please help date my new M78 Vetterli

#2 Post by dynachrome » Sat Apr 20, 2019 8:54 pm

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Re: Please help date my new M78 Vetterli

#3 Post by 72 usmc » Sat Apr 20, 2019 8:58 pm

dynachrome has it:
I am not up on these and do not know the difference between the M78 and the M78/81. I assume yours is a rifle Vetterli repetiergewehr 1878 M78. most of these fall in between serial numbers 150XX to 1640XX. here is a chart: If I read it correct, I believe yours was made in 1880 at serial number 157162
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In March 1868 the Swiss government decided to order 80.000 M-1869 Vetterli rifles with several contract manufacturers.
The years after got very turbulent for the several manufacturers as many modifications were introduced and they had problems in producing sufficient numbers.
In 1871 only a total of 12.000 of the requested rifles had been issued.
For that reason a simplified version of the M-1869 was introduced, the Ordonnanz M-1869/71 (without the loading gate cover).
Untill 1875 still several manufacturers were making these and modifications were still going on.
From 1875 on Waffenfabrik Bern was the main manufacturer of the Vetterli rifles.

Bern started producing the M-69/71 in 1875 at serial 114.001 all older serials could have been made by several other manufacturers too.
In 1875 they made 8000 rifles so till # 122.001
In 1876 they made 8677 rifles so till # 130.678
In 1877 they made 7799 rifles so till # 138.477
In 1878 they made 6400 rifles so till # 144.877
In 1879 they made 5124 rifles so till # 150.001
In 1879 they started production of the M-1878 at
serial 150.001 .
In 1879 they made 1785 rifles so till # 151.786
In 1880 they made 6976 rifles so till # 158.762
In 1881 they made 7009 rifles so till # 165.771
The production of the M-1881 started probably in 1882 at serial 165.771 .
In 1882 they made 5857 rifles so till # 171.628
In 1883 they made 6923 rifles so till # 178.551
In 1884 they made 7740 rifles so till # 186.291
In 1885 they made 8560 rifles so till # 194.851
In 1886 they made 8540 rifles so till # 203.391
In 1887 they made 10.500 rifles so till # 213.891
In 1888 they made 6970 rifles so till # 220.861
In 1889 they made 7830 rifles so till # 228.691
I count a total of 228.691 while the books say 228.060.

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Guisan.
There are so many variations in these old rifles it makes my head spin see this info on models:
http://www.swissrifles.com/vetterli/

http://www.cruffler.com/historic-july01.html


more info by experts here: https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/theswis ... rifles-f4/
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Re: Please help date my new M78 Vetterli

#4 Post by KneverKnew » Tue Apr 23, 2019 10:01 pm

Thank you all for the help. Sounds like 1880 is the winning date! From what I’ve read I don’t believe it is an 1878/81.
Thanks again.

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