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 Post subject: Japanese rifle
PostPosted: Sat Jul 02, 2016 4:50 pm 
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Does anyone know what exactly this rifle is? My dad has had it for years along with an arisaka which he got from his dad who was in the Navy during ww2, any help would be appreciated, thanks


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 Post subject: Re: Japanese rifle
PostPosted: Sun Jul 03, 2016 11:31 am 
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After looking into it more I believe it's an arisaka 99 with a different stock, It has the exact same receiver as my other 99. The coolest thing is I was given all the letters that grandpa sent home from the Navy which is a bunch and actually found the one he sent from Japan saying he's shipping home 2 rifles. I just don't know if the one in question had a new stock put on it. In the new pic you can see its shorter than the others, the last resort rifle has what looks like Japanese symbols drawn on the stock.


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 Post subject: Re: Japanese rifle
PostPosted: Sun Jul 03, 2016 2:55 pm 
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That is a sporterized Arisaka, the original stock was cut down to make it lighter for hunting and in some cases the barrel was also shortened. A nice parts rifle. The hole in the stock was for a rope sling and it most likely is a last ditch type 99. Back after the war it was cheaper to make a hunting rifle than buy a store bought one. So you got spare parts, not much value to it. What you want is intact, complete with cleaning rod, all matching with mum, unmodified, non refinished bring back with papers and sling, maybe the bayonet. That is a treasure and collectors rifle.

The first one looks intact, the second one a schools rifle???, the third a chopped up sporter spare parts on a stick.
Cleaning rods missing. No slings. They may have ground mums rather than Marine send backs with mum intact. If you need more info we need pics of the receivers, the bolt and rear safety knob, and rifle markingson the left side of the receiver for marker and series number. Close up views please. All three look like type 99, 7.7 rifles. key to receiver markings see:
http://oldmilitarymarkings.com/japanese_markings.html

receiver top marks see:
http://www.japanesecollector.com/riflei ... cation.htm
http://www.castle-thunder.com/model.htm

Training rifles with markings /paint/ plates on the stock:


http://user.pa.net/~the.macs/JAPANESE.html


Also note the sporter may be recambered to fire ammo other than Jap 7.7x58, possible 30-06, or who knows it may be stamped on the receiver if converted to a different round.

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 Post subject: Re: Japanese rifle
PostPosted: Sun Jul 03, 2016 4:50 pm 
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Thanks for taking the time to respond back, I'm gonna post pics of the 2 newer one I just got. I'm just curious what exactly they are, these are going to my boys to keep them in the family.


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 Post subject: Re: Japanese rifle
PostPosted: Sun Jul 03, 2016 4:56 pm 
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This is the short one


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 Post subject: Re: Japanese rifle
PostPosted: Sun Jul 03, 2016 4:59 pm 
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This is what I believe is the last ditch


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 Post subject: Re: Japanese rifle
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That last rifle with close up views is what looks like a 8th series, Nagoya Arsenal, last ditch type 99 with intact mum. A mid to late war rifle 1944?. It is difficult to make out the series on my 12 year old mac. Does the safety knob have horizontal lines on it or is it a welded safety knob? It has a matching number of 3 digits? on the parts 316?? IF MATCHING . It has a correct cylindrical bolt handle, wood butt plate, welded front band, no sight guards, fixed peep sight, and paint markings that are found on this series. Stock finish is intact. Stock should have a small japanese character stamped on the lower wood just rear of the trigger??? It may have a short cleaning rod not the long one. Missing???

see early vs late features: http://www.milsurps.com/showthread.php?t=42450

It is in excellent condition. Look at the bolt and see if its numbers match 316. A very nice rifle. DO NOTHING TO THE STOCK- leave it intact.
Here is a series 9 rifle see( shows stock cartouche ):
viewtopic.php?f=175&t=79048&hilit=+last+ditch

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 Post subject: Re: Japanese rifle
PostPosted: Sun Jul 03, 2016 8:06 pm 
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The sporter is a ground mum, Nagoya type 99 with an early war bolt. Screws, complete bolt and follower are worth keeping. It is what it is -- A parts rifle chopped up and is now history.

In the second photo showing 3 rifles, The lower rifle looks intact too, and is a keeper??? No close up photos. Odd that they are so nice, but missing cleaning rods?? The example you show is worthy of paying for a correct original cleaning rod. If you have a new computer look at the data sheets for info on parts and sketches of them:
http://www.castle-thunder.com/datas.htm


BOOKS you might want to buy or get ILL from the library:
https://www.amazon.com/Japanese-Rifles- ... rifle+book

https://www.amazon.com/Military-Rifles- ... rifle+book

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 Post subject: Re: Japanese rifle
PostPosted: Mon Jul 04, 2016 10:29 pm 
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The last ditch has the welded safety end and has dust cover grooves, I'm not exactly sure where the receiver numbers are yet so not sure if the numbers match, been a busy weekend with the holiday. It's hard to tell if there is the symbol on the stock near the trigger because there's little dents in the area but not sure if it's a symbol or not. Thanks for the information you gave about the guns, I've been so into the history of ww2 and it's so interesting going through his letters sent home and all the pics he had, these guns are being handed down to my 18 and 17 year old sons so they'll be with us for years to come. Thanks


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 Post subject: Re: Japanese rifle
PostPosted: Mon Jul 04, 2016 10:36 pm 
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On a side note, letters are interesting This is what I rescued a while back:
viewtopic.php?f=4&t=144826&p=1076223#p1076223
I also have all of my dads WW II USMC stuff, trunk, web gear, 45, carbine, uniforms, orders, letters, bayonet pictures ect.

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