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PostPosted: Fri Nov 05, 2010 10:28 pm 
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Saw one at a gunshow that had a slash through the mum.


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PostPosted: Mon Sep 03, 2012 6:50 pm 
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Nevada Hudson wrote:
Saw one at a gunshow that had a slash through the mum.


Perhaps that was done by an individual soldier, with his bayonet, before surrendering to Allied forces?

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There was another post of a rifle with similar topic of slight Mum defacing awhile back in the forum. I will try to link the thread!

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I would pay to see someone "Slash the Crest with a Bayonet..." It would be worth the cost to watch the operation...The receivers of Japanese rifles are fairly hard, a lot harder than the bayonet edge...It might take several days just to do it slightly....

The is no evidence that Japanese Soldiers and other personnel were taking the time, before being killed by "Overfed Americans", to grind the crest off the gun. This is absolute BS. IT was done on orders of Dougie Mac after the Emperor renounced the Imperial Military. Another factor, not often mentioned is that this was done almost immediately upon the occupation, to distinguish weapons captured in combat from those taken from stores after the surrender. This was Dougie's policy at the time...according to some vets I discussed this with in the 70's...They were Officers in the occupation and not just draftees anxious to go home....

Apparently, in those days, they had "Mall Ninjas" and "Armchair Commandos" just like today!!!

It is my opinion that guns with file slashes, or half baked grinding, are from the first days of the occupation, and ones that have very neat and precise removal are done a little later.....

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The mun with circles stamped over it are not necessarily school rifles. This was done to any rifle removed from official imperial service, including school rifles, and rifles sold as surplus to foreign countries, such as the Type 30 and Type 38 rifles Japan sold to Russia, and Great Britain during WWI. Probably also the rifles Russia was forced to buy after loosing the Russo-Japanese war. Evidently the Japanese were in a great hurry to get rid of these rifles after winning this war.


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