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 Post subject: Re: A Carcano Christmas!
PostPosted: Fri Jan 22, 2016 6:09 pm 
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Here's the bayonet a got for my '38. It's the third style, with the fixed blade and no slot in the bottom. A really compact bayonet for a really compact short rifle--I like it.


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 Post subject: Re: A Carcano Christmas!
PostPosted: Fri Jan 22, 2016 6:58 pm 
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About clipped firing pins? Supposedly, Springfield Sporters did that to some of their 8mm conversions as a risk management measure.

Since swapping firing pins isn't difficult at all, my best GUESS is that a gun shop exchanged yours so a customer could happily blast away with his 8mm he bought from them.

Or a gun nut with multiple Carcanos did. I have changed out more than a few myself. Ren

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 Post subject: Re: A Carcano Christmas!
PostPosted: Fri Jan 22, 2016 7:02 pm 
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A question: I was wondering if the lack of stock markings (it looks like the cartouches and serial numbers were purposefully scrubbed/refinished) and "Made Italy" stamp can help determine when it was refurbed/imported?


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 Post subject: Re: A Carcano Christmas!
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Nice pickup on the bayonet. Is that particular one a former folding one, modified to be fixed? I have a folding one that lives on the rifle (looks funny without it) but would like to pickup a fixed one.


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 Post subject: Re: A Carcano Christmas!
PostPosted: Mon Jan 25, 2016 6:31 pm 
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TassieAzz wrote:
Nice pickup on the bayonet. Is that particular one a former folding one, modified to be fixed? I have a folding one that lives on the rifle (looks funny without it) but would like to pickup a fixed one.

Thanks TassieAzz. This one is the third or final type--it was purpose-built as the fixed type, with no vestiges of the folding parts.

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 Post subject: Re: A Carcano Christmas!
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In addition to the clipped firing pin, it appears there is a blob of metal just inside the chamber mouth--very frustrating! Hard to see in the photos, but it's there; and it's enough to prevent a round from chambering. Someone went to a lot of trouble to keep this thing from firing. I'm hoping this is reversible and isn't too difficult to take care of...
Anyone familiar with this?


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 Post subject: Re: A Carcano Christmas!
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You see that mostly on 6,5 Vetterlis, but it might not be weld. I'd at least give it a couple love taps with a punch.

I would guess import in the early 60s. Ren

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 Post subject: Re: A Carcano Christmas!
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You did not check the bore when you bought it ?


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 Post subject: Re: A Carcano Christmas!
PostPosted: Thu Jan 28, 2016 8:08 pm 
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diablodog wrote:
You did not check the bore when you bought it ?

Yes, the bore looks fantastic. You can't see this from the muzzle end and only from careful examination of the chamber. I probably would have still bought it if I saw this. They advertised it as non-functional and at 100 bucks I was willing to gamble.

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 Post subject: Re: A Carcano Christmas!
PostPosted: Mon Sep 12, 2016 4:04 pm 
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Update time. Well, it seems it's never easy with my Carcanos...
The chamber was toast, but I managed to find a decent replacement barrel on ebay for a good price. Now my 1940 Terni is a 1941 Terni. When the barrel arrived, I was playing around with it, dropping different fired cases and loaded ammo into the chamber. To my dismay, I discovered that my rounds loaded with the .268 Hornady bullets would not even chamber! I had thought I had finally found a load usable in all my Carcanos, but no. I have read anecdotal reports that as the 91/38 Terni production progressed, the barrels/chambers/throats became tighter due to worn tooling being kept in use, with 1941 dates being noticeably tight. This one seems to bear that out. The .264 loaded rounds fit just fine, but the larger ones are a definite no-go. Although I didn't have any of the PRVI commercial ammo on hand, I have a suspicion that this Carcano will be one that shoots the usually undersized bullets loaded in their 139 grain FMJ offering just fine.

I finally got it to the range today. It shot high, as expected with the fixed sight regulated for 300 yards. The .264 160 grain Hornadys show no signs of keyholing, as they do with some of my other Carcanos. It put 20 rounds into five inches, which was pretty good considering I was sort of just making sure everything worked, and consciously lowered my point of aim halfway through the group.

I have decided to continue my quest to find one load that will work in all my Carcanos, and have ordered a Lee custom bullet sizer in .266. All my references to the Italian military ammo show a diameter from .2655 to .266. I'll make a new thread detailing how things go once the sizer arrives...


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 Post subject: Re: A Carcano Christmas!
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The bullet sizer arrived yesterday and I immediately had to try it out. Results are shown below:

Top photo is an unsized Hornady .268, which mic'ed at over .267.
Next photo is the same after re-sizing, it now mics at just over .266.
The third photo shows how much of the bullet's profile is affected by the re-sizing--note the color change near the tip. It may only be a one-thousandth or so reduction, but that reduction is present along an awfully long bearing surface.
Bottom photo shows the custom sizer along with my Lee Hand Press. I used Lee case resizing lubricant, as opposed to the Alox lube that comes with the resizer. The Lee website recommends this for jacketed bullets (along with some other provisos).

I loaded up some dummies, and was satisfied to see they chambered perfectly in my 91/38. So far, so good...


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