Well, the board is either fixed, or it's going to run terribly. Cross your fingers and hope for the best. I'm at my technical limit right now.

1891 Mosin Nagant rifle and Privi ammo 800 yards

1891, 91/30, M38, M44, 91/59, P-series, M27, M28, M28-30 and M39
Message
Author
User avatar
Rapidrob
Global Moderator
Global Moderator
Posts: 1047
Joined: Sat Jun 03, 2017 9:10 am
Age: 68
Location: New Mexico
United States of America

1891 Mosin Nagant rifle and Privi ammo 800 yards

#1 Post by Rapidrob » Sat Feb 08, 2020 6:26 pm

If you told me you had an original 1891 Mosin Nagant rifle and you wailed the daylights out of a man torso target at 800 yards I'd have to raise my eyebrows.
But, buy golly I did just that today!
I have three shooter 1891 rifles, two Finn capture rifles and a defaced Russian 1891 given to the Romanians during the commie occupation.
The two Finns with like new Tika barrels did Ok, not great at 800 yards. The orphaned child original defaced 1891 Mosin ( made we think in 1914) was a tack driver at 800 yards! Everyone was amazed how well it shot 1976 Privi brass cased 182 grain ,lead core "Heavy Ball" ammunition.
The rear sight only goes to 1200 Arshini and I had to set the sight to 1,000 Arshini in order to hit the target. The wind was left to right at 15 miles per hour and a three foot hold off was used. Once the zero was found holding the front sight one sight blade off to the left and holding at the man silhouette at 10 o'clock I was able to hammer the target shot after shot.
I have never held the mass produced 1891 series rifle and carbines in high regard for long range accuracy what-so-ever. Today proved me wrong.
While the rifle would not shoot the "light Ball' worth a damn, it shot the heavy ball like there was no tomorrow.
This rifle has a really nice trigger pull of about 6 pounds and a bore,though well rounded rifling, was bright and shiny. The bore is tight at .3115 and lock up is very tight. The chamber kicks out a fired casing that is almost ready to reload with neck size only.
Flight time was really fast, under one second to go to the 4,800 foot away target. Impact was enough to twist the 100 pound target on it chain. A new Impact sensor was used that is hard to see in bright light ( red flash) but it tripped every single hit.
Recoil was very pleasant. I was wearing a light coat and shooting from the prone, front barrel rest. I had no issues firing 40 rounds today.
The only rifle that gave me a run-for -the- money today was a like new 98K German Mauser firing 198 grain Privi 1980's 8x57mm.
He and I had a good time taking turns hitting the target in the 15 MPH wind.
On the target my shots are centered and moving to the left. His shots are on the right hand side of the target up/down.
Later on, after we painted the target again, the shooters were firing a 91/30, Jap Type 99 converted to.308 and a 8mm Lebel carbine! all were able to get hits or very close misses.
In all we had a fun time to be sure. Shooting long distance is so much fun with old military surplus rifles/carbines.
1891 Mosin Nagan at 800 yards 2 2020.jpg
The match this month is "Winter War"themed. this should be interesting to see what calibers really shoot well in our winds.
Tin Can Sailor
'Nam Vet
NRA Endowment Member
President New Mexico Military Surplus Rifle Pistol Shooters

ammolab
Member
Member
Posts: 247
Joined: Sat Jun 03, 2017 9:34 pm
Location: New Mexico USA
United States of America

Re: 1891 Mosin Nagant rifle and Privi ammo 800 yards

#2 Post by ammolab » Sat Feb 08, 2020 10:02 pm

Looks like you guys were shooting your arshinis off!

User avatar
Rapidrob
Global Moderator
Global Moderator
Posts: 1047
Joined: Sat Jun 03, 2017 9:10 am
Age: 68
Location: New Mexico
United States of America

Re: 1891 Mosin Nagant rifle and Privi ammo 800 yards

#3 Post by Rapidrob » Mon Feb 10, 2020 12:20 am

I was so glad that 1,000 Arshini worked! The next "notch" was 1,200 and sailed the bullet into Santa Fe! I found the rifle will not shoot Light Ball surplus loads worth a darn.
Tin Can Sailor
'Nam Vet
NRA Endowment Member
President New Mexico Military Surplus Rifle Pistol Shooters

Calfed
Global Moderator
Global Moderator
Posts: 379
Joined: Wed Jun 07, 2017 12:18 am
Age: 62
Location: USA, CA
United States of America

Re: 1891 Mosin Nagant rifle and Privi ammo 800 yards

#4 Post by Calfed » Thu Feb 13, 2020 12:24 pm

Damn, Rob. That is amazing out of an old Mosin. Amazing that the Tika barrels didn't do better.

ammolab
Member
Member
Posts: 247
Joined: Sat Jun 03, 2017 9:34 pm
Location: New Mexico USA
United States of America

Re: 1891 Mosin Nagant rifle and Privi ammo 800 yards

#5 Post by ammolab » Thu Feb 13, 2020 3:13 pm

Rapidrob wrote:
Mon Feb 10, 2020 12:20 am
I was so glad that 1,000 Arshini worked! The next "notch" was 1,200 and sailed the bullet into Santa Fe! I found the rifle will not shoot Light Ball surplus loads worth a darn.
Some chicks like beer...some like wine. Just the way life & guns are.

User avatar
Rapidrob
Global Moderator
Global Moderator
Posts: 1047
Joined: Sat Jun 03, 2017 9:10 am
Age: 68
Location: New Mexico
United States of America

Re: 1891 Mosin Nagant rifle and Privi ammo 800 yards

#6 Post by Rapidrob » Thu Feb 13, 2020 5:10 pm

I loaded up some of my reloads to see if I can better the Privi and Russian surplus ammo.
I got pulled lead core Heavy Ball and the really long 150 grain Steel Core Light Ball loaded over Reloader-15 charges.
Tin Can Sailor
'Nam Vet
NRA Endowment Member
President New Mexico Military Surplus Rifle Pistol Shooters

ammolab
Member
Member
Posts: 247
Joined: Sat Jun 03, 2017 9:34 pm
Location: New Mexico USA
United States of America

Re: 1891 Mosin Nagant rifle and Privi ammo 800 yards

#7 Post by ammolab » Fri Feb 14, 2020 10:07 pm

Looks like good weather for the match...I guess we will be trying our luck @800 yards.

spentprimer
Member
Member
Posts: 74
Joined: Tue Jun 06, 2017 9:24 am
Age: 65
Location: USA, Minnesota
United States of America

Re: 1891 Mosin Nagant rifle and Privi ammo 800 yards

#8 Post by spentprimer » Sat Feb 15, 2020 10:29 am

Some years ago one of shooting buddies and I went to the local range to fire our Mosin Nagants. Rolf had a new tin of Albanian ammo and I had a box of 20 soft points of some breed from Fleet Farm where I purchased the rifle the week before. Frankly, I was very surprised at the 100 yard groups and factoring in my cataracts I was smiling! Rolf fired a few down range and we went to check his target ... no hits? We move the target to 50 yards and he still has no hits. At this point we are both sort of puzzled. I went and got three rounds and fired them at his refrigerator sized box target and two of the three hit the box ... about 4 feet apart and who knows where the third round ended up. I fired three rounds of the Fleet Farm ammo at the same large box and they were touching each other. At this point we are wondering what the heck is wrong with the ammo. We took half a dozen rounds from the tin and rolled them across the table top only to see the bullet points wobbling up and down an sideways off center and at that point we realized the bullets were either formed wrong or inserted wrong into the cartridge case. Rolf kept the rifle as it shot the ammo from Fleet Farm that I had brought very nicely at the 100 yard target ... the Albanian ammo was only useful as noise makers.

Being a reloader, and always striving for a better batch of ammo, I had not experienced any ammo before or after that day that was that bad! But, as Rob found out, there is a big difference in loaded ammo!
This ain't Dodge City and you ain't Bill Hickok - Matthew Quigley

User avatar
Rapidrob
Global Moderator
Global Moderator
Posts: 1047
Joined: Sat Jun 03, 2017 9:10 am
Age: 68
Location: New Mexico
United States of America

Re: 1891 Mosin Nagant rifle and Privi ammo 800 yards

#9 Post by Rapidrob » Sun Feb 23, 2020 5:19 pm

I'm always shocked at the different bullet diameters of the 7.62x54R bullets. no one thinks to check the bullets but you darn well should!
99.9% of my '54R rifles have a .3105 bore. .311 bullets shoot very well indeed. That being said, I open up a "tin' of 440 rounds only to find the bullets are .3095!
Maybe our 50-Yard Blasters think their the best thing since sliced bread, but at long distances they suck badly.( 200 yards and beyond)
But who checks their bullets? I sure do. And my scores show it.
Just a short decade ago I picked up so many 91/30 rifles for 50 bucks or so from shooters who fired the wrong size bullets out of their rifles that were too small in diameter. "These rifles are crap! Give me 50 bucks for the damn thing!" I did.... got a whole wall of them now. Most that have really good bores are great shooting rifles. All because no one ever checks the bullet diameter. And with Harbor Freight selling calipers for next to nothing there is no reason not to own one unless your too lazy to care about it.
The guys shooting the 91/30's DID have the bayonets attached ( the rifles are regulated for the bayonet ) and hit the target without any problems with Light Ball!
That impressed me. My 1891 will not shoot Light Ball worth a darn.
Tin Can Sailor
'Nam Vet
NRA Endowment Member
President New Mexico Military Surplus Rifle Pistol Shooters

slowbob2
Member
Member
Posts: 183
Joined: Fri Jul 21, 2017 4:02 pm
Age: 38
Location: slaton
United States of America

Re: 1891 Mosin Nagant rifle and Privi ammo 800 yards

#10 Post by slowbob2 » Sun Feb 23, 2020 9:20 pm

Spec for military ammo was a .309 -.310 bullet . Strange , excluding early model Finns , about 99 % of my over 50 54r rifles are .311 + .

slowbob2
Member
Member
Posts: 183
Joined: Fri Jul 21, 2017 4:02 pm
Age: 38
Location: slaton
United States of America

Re: 1891 Mosin Nagant rifle and Privi ammo 800 yards

#11 Post by slowbob2 » Tue Feb 25, 2020 9:45 pm

You have 1000 54r rifles ? 99.9% would mean 1 out of 1000 .

ammolab
Member
Member
Posts: 247
Joined: Sat Jun 03, 2017 9:34 pm
Location: New Mexico USA
United States of America

Re: 1891 Mosin Nagant rifle and Privi ammo 800 yards

#12 Post by ammolab » Tue Feb 25, 2020 11:20 pm

slowbob2 wrote:
Tue Feb 25, 2020 9:45 pm
You have 1000 54r rifles ? 99.9% would mean 1 out of 1000 .
Show your work on that math... I figure if 99.9% of 1000 rifles have .311” bores that is 999 rifles. No?

slowbob2
Member
Member
Posts: 183
Joined: Fri Jul 21, 2017 4:02 pm
Age: 38
Location: slaton
United States of America

Re: 1891 Mosin Nagant rifle and Privi ammo 800 yards

#13 Post by slowbob2 » Wed Feb 26, 2020 8:46 am

It is regular math . He said 99.9% of HIS rifles had a .3105 bore , that means the sample group would have to be 1000 rifles to get the figure of 99.9 . 999 had .3105 , 1 did not . 999 + 1 = 1000

ammolab
Member
Member
Posts: 247
Joined: Sat Jun 03, 2017 9:34 pm
Location: New Mexico USA
United States of America

Re: 1891 Mosin Nagant rifle and Privi ammo 800 yards

#14 Post by ammolab » Wed Feb 26, 2020 2:36 pm

slowbob2 wrote:
Wed Feb 26, 2020 8:46 am
It is regular math . He said 99.9% of HIS rifles had a .3105 bore , that means the sample group would have to be 1000 rifles to get the figure of 99.9 . 999 had .3105 , 1 did not . 999 + 1 = 1000
Roger...I was looking at YOUR post: 99.9% of 50 rifles....
Last edited by ammolab on Thu Feb 27, 2020 2:26 pm, edited 1 time in total.

ammolab
Member
Member
Posts: 247
Joined: Sat Jun 03, 2017 9:34 pm
Location: New Mexico USA
United States of America

Re: 1891 Mosin Nagant rifle and Privi ammo 800 yards

#15 Post by ammolab » Wed Feb 26, 2020 2:37 pm

ammolab wrote:
Wed Feb 26, 2020 2:36 pm
slowbob2 wrote:
Wed Feb 26, 2020 8:46 am
It is regular math . He said 99.9% of HIS rifles had a .3105 bore , that means the sample group would have to be 1000 rifles to get the figure of 99.9 . 999 had .3105 , 1 did not . 999 + 1 = 1000
Roger...I was looking at YOUR post: 99.9% of 50 rifles....didn’t realize you were splitting hairs on Robs post

Post Reply

Return to “Russian and Finnish Rifles”

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 1 guest