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Persian VZ 24

#1 Post by 72 usmc » Thu Feb 01, 2018 2:29 pm

This section needs some new stuff so I thought would post my Vz 24 Persian Mauser. This was like $250 back a few years ago. No import mark. Shoots as good as my SAMCO long rifle Persian. The crest and sand flee writing is boldly stamped. It came from a old guy that had it in 1959 or 1960 . He could not remember.
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Re: Persian VZ 24

#2 Post by 72 usmc » Thu Feb 01, 2018 2:34 pm

Close up views some of the major marks:
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Re: Persian VZ 24

#3 Post by 72 usmc » Thu Feb 01, 2018 2:36 pm

Some of the wood and bands:
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Re: Persian VZ 24

#4 Post by 72 usmc » Thu Feb 01, 2018 2:39 pm

Close up views of the VZ 24 bolt:
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Re: Persian VZ 24

#5 Post by 72 usmc » Thu Feb 01, 2018 2:42 pm

The cleaning rod and muzzle on this VZ 24:
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Re: Persian VZ 24

#6 Post by 72 usmc » Thu Feb 01, 2018 2:51 pm

other views mixed of this Persian marked VZ 24:
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Re: Persian VZ 24

#7 Post by 72 usmc » Thu Feb 01, 2018 3:44 pm

A quote source is John Wall see http://forums.gunboards.com/showthread. ... sian-VZ-24

The barreled action is from a Persian contract Vz.24 from first 10,000 Vz.24's rifles delivered to Iran in 1929-30. All these rifles were Vz.24s sold directly out of Czechoslovak Army stores. Since Ceskoslovenska Zbrojovka Brno (CZB) was a corporation which was majority-owned by the Czechoslovak Government, CZB was in a unique competitive position of having day-to-day control and ownership of the war reserves of a large standing army, They used these stores as their own commercial inventory to secure customers by being able to promise immediate, no wait, off-the-shelf delivery of immense quantities of rifles. No arms sale was ever dependent on a delay in delivery while the production line cycled up. This was a strategic business advantage that their privately-owned competitors, Mauser Werke A.G. and FN, never had, and was one of the very most important reasons for the success of CZB.

After the initial 10,000 rifles were delivered to Iran, over the next 10 years there were at least two other Iranian purchases of Vz.24's. All these later rifles have the Iranian crest and Farsi text side rail marking, each with the year of the purchase. It appears that Navy Gunner's Vz.24 has parts from both the initial purchase (from Czechoslovak Army inventory) as well as Farsi-enscribed components from the later purchases. A key characteristic of Vz.24 from ther first (1929) purchase is the surcharged image of a small Pahlavi crown on the receiver ring which is visible on the rifles above and below The same crown appears on most silver coins struck furing the Pahlavi era, on ther upper edge of the obverse side

In all, Iran bought 300,000 Mauser rifles from Brno: 30,000 Vz.24's, 30,000 short barreled "musketons" or cavalry carbines, and 240,000 M.98/29 long rifles.
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Re: Persian VZ 24

#8 Post by vandle » Thu Feb 01, 2018 5:05 pm

Beautiful rife, love the crest and the farsi markings.
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Re: Persian VZ 24

#9 Post by Petros600 » Wed Feb 14, 2018 6:49 pm

thanks for posting the pics

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Re: Persian VZ 24

#10 Post by vonalt » Thu Mar 15, 2018 9:43 am

Forget what model of Persian it is, but it was produced in country. What is interesting to note the differences in the crest. Those produced in country the lion on the crest has a strange resemblance to the cowardly lion of Wizard of Oz fame. Believe it was the 98/29 that was produced in country. The workmanship in Iran was not even close to that of the Czechs.

Found my reference.

https://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/sho ... ?t=1106105 Post #21 refers to it.

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Re: Persian VZ 24

#11 Post by 72 usmc » Thu Mar 15, 2018 11:23 pm

Interesting a Persian made crest and a Czech made crest. I did not know that there was/is a difference. Thanks for great information.
Persian made Lion (cowardly lion of Wizard of Oz)

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Even though the Persian manufactured rifles were built using Czech equipment, the quality of workmanship declined. There is an unissued Persian manufactured 1949 carbine at auction right now; machining is rougher, the bluing is not as deep and the stock is not finished to a high gloss.
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THE CZECH MADE CREST ON MY VZ24
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Re: Persian VZ 24

#12 Post by 72 usmc » Thu Mar 15, 2018 11:44 pm

A very informative link with pictures remaining intact:
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More info with great pics see : http://kavehfarrokh.com/military-histor ... rno-rifle/
The Iranian-built “Berno” was originally designed by Czechoslovakia’s Zbrojovka Brno Company, which was a weapons and vehicle manufacturing firm. The Czechoslovak rifle was actually based on the German Gew 98b design. Technically, this was the Mauser 1898, featuring a total length of 1250 mm, originally as the G98 (meaning Gewehr 98, meaning the 1898 rifle 1898 model for the Imperial German Army). This design was so reliable and it influenced the production of some models of the US Springfield and British Lee-Enfield rifles.

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The original Mauser G98 from which the Czechoslovak Brno was based on (Picture Source: Aliparsa.com). Several industrialized nations have built the Mauser rifle and clones have been made in virtually every through license agreements with the Mauser firm in Orberndorf, Germany. One of the most prominent of these licensing arrangements was made with Czechoslovakia which led to the production (also via licensing) of high-quality models in Iran as well. Several other nations have also produced the Mauser-based rifle, including, Turkey, Peru, Venezuela, Spain, Brazil, Spain, Mexico, Sweden, Belgium, Argentina, and Yugoslavia.

It did not take long for this venerable weapon with its excellent bolt-action technology to find its way into Iran by the early 1900s. Iranian Constitutional fighters used this weapon in their battles to promote what was Western Asia’s first Democracy movement.

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An excellent photo of Iranian Constitutional Fighters armed with the Mauser (Picture Source: Aliparsa.com). This weapon was to be later introduced on a much larger scale as the Iranian army manufactured it under license from the Czechoslovak Zbrojovka Brno Company.

By the mid-1920s, two other types of rifles were being used in Iran: the Russian Mosin-Nagant (Noghaan, or Naaghaan, نوغان- ناغان in the popular slang of the time)and the British Lee-Enfield. Explanations vary as to why the administration of Reza Shah chose to adopt the Mauser-based Brno. One strong possibility is that Reza Shah wanted to distance the Iranian army’s reliance on Britain and Russia as sources of military supplies. Whatever the true reason, the Iranian Army opted to adopt the Berno (Brno) as its primary infantry rifle. In addition, the Berno (Brno) was considered to be he best rifle of its type at the time.

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[Click to Enlarge] The original delivery Berno [Brno] manufactured in Czechoslovakia for the Iranian army (Picture Source: Milpas). Note the Persian writing which states “Karkhaneye Aslahe-Saziye Berno [Lit. Brno Weapons manufacturing Factory]”. The Jalali Calendar date of 1309 on the rifle places its date of manufacture to 1930.

Iran was to later produce the weapon under license. By the late 1940s, the Taslihat-e Artesh (Arms Factories of the Army) in Tehran, known colloquially as “Mosalsal-sazi” (lit. machine-gun construction), engaged in the mass-production of the Berno [Brno].

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[Click to Enlarge] A version of the Berno (Brno) produced in Iran in 1949 – Jalali calendar of 1328 (Picture Source: Aliparsa.com). The Persian script states “Sakht-e Aslehe-Sazi-e Artesh” [lit. Built by the Weapons Manufacturing of the Army].

The Iranian army considered the “Berno” (Brno) as the best military rifle of its time. Iranian veterans have noted of the sturdiness and reliability of this rifle. Iranian tribal warriors especially valued the Berno (Brno) well into the late 1970s.


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A more comprehensive view of the 1930 Czech manufacture Berno [Brno] (Picture Source: Milpas).

The Iranian built Berno (Brno) came in two versions:

1) the regular Berno (Brno) (Length=1110 mm): this was technically the regular VZ24 rifle, highly similar to the Kar-98k of Germany.

2) a shorter version of the Berno (Brno) known as Berno e Kootah (the short Berno) (Length=993 mm): this was similar to the G-30 of Germany.


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The Berno e Kootah (the short Berno) (Picture Source: Aliparsa.com). The required machinery and training for producing the Berno (Brno) rifles was provided by the Czech powerhouse firm, Škoda, which has had long-standing ties with the Iranian industrial sector.

The Berno (Brno) remained as the standard weapon of the Iranian army until its replacement The Berno (Brno) remained in Iranian army service until 1960 when it was finally replaced by the US- M1 Garand semi-automatic rifle. The M1 in turn was replaced by the German-designed G3 of Heckler and Koch in the 1970s. The Berno however was to remain in service with the Iranian Gendarmerie until 1979.

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Another view of the 1930 Czech manufactured Brno; note close-ups of insignias and the Lion and Sun symbol (Picture Source: Milpas).

Despite its phasing out in the 1960s-1970s, the Berno (Brno) continued to earn the admiration and respect of the Iranian infantrymen.

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[Click to Enlarge] Yet another view of the 1930 Czech manufacture Brno; the section above has the Persian word “Piyade” which roughly translates as “Infantryman”, but the term is better translated as “on Foot”. The term (Piyade) in Iranian military lexicon is meant to be differentiated from the Savar (mounted cavalryman) (Picture Source: Milpas).

The Berno (Brno) was to serve the Iranian Army with special effectiveness, especially against Soviet-trained persons who were fighting against Tehran to advance the cause of the former Soviet Union inside Iran.

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Iranian soldiers in training during the allied occupation of Iran (Picture Source: MilitaryPhotos.net); note the Berno [Brno] rifles slung on their shoulders during the exercises. When Russia withdrew her military umbrella from her satellite states in northern Iran in May 1946, the Moscow-Baku controlled separatist movements of northwest Iran quickly collapsed as the Iranian army entered the region in December 1946 (For more information see Iran at War: 1500-1988-(ایران در جنگ (۱۹۸۸-۱۵۰۰- 2011 -pp. 283-293).
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Re: Persian VZ 24

#13 Post by 72 usmc » Thu Mar 15, 2018 11:57 pm

I will have to check what version of 98/29 I own? Here is a Libertytreecollectors reference library Czech made 98/29.
https://www.libertytreecollectors.com/p ... oduct=5009
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Re: Persian VZ 24

#14 Post by EdHoffer » Wed Mar 28, 2018 12:10 am

I believe the their is some misleading/erroneous information posted at least for the for the first contract models the 98/29. They were the cream of the crop and prime dollars were paid for premier craftsmanship which can be verified by everyone of who have them. You can't get any dreamier that them. I am privileged to have one unfired specimen in Excellent condition, which remains unfired.

Of course I could have misread prior posts.

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