I recently picked up a Ishapore 2A 1964

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I recently picked up a 1964 Ishapore 2A all matching. Even the Magazine matches. I know it's not a rare rifle by any means but it's definitely interesting. I really like the action. I've heard mixed reviews on what ammo to shoot out of it. I plan to only shoot 762 NATO. But I've heard of some people shooting steel case 308 out of them. It has some arsenal repairs in the wood which I don't mind seeing.
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Nice rifle

I like the arsenal repairs on rifles, it makes them unique from each other.
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Get any surplus 7.62 ammo with the NATO "+ in a 0" headstamp & shoot that.
get some NATO standard 5-round chargers (stripper clips) too.
Steel case (including the brass washed stuff is cheap crap & thats how it'll perform.

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The rifles are crazy strong and very accurate at long range.
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I have a 67 and mine has wedges to repair a crack in the hand guard. Adds character along with the rack number. I use an exclusive diet of NATO surplus and have no problems. Currently using '13 Lake City rounds but also used Austrian, West German and Australian. It's a MOA shooter and that's with surplus and not hand loads. Eventually I am going to have to load for it just to see it's true potential.

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Im looking in buying this rifle very similar your one.
Can you let me know if its any better the the standard ni1 mk3 in 303?

The ammo availability of 308 is way better in ireland than 303

https://www.valmontfirearms.com/rifles- ... -mm-rifles

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Better, no, slightly different yes.
There were all sorts of (unproven) rumors about "Better Steel" or "Better Heat Treatment", none have ever been proven.
Its just re barreled for the 7.62mm cartridge.
IIRC the 2A retained the .303 sight unit, the 2A1 got a sight calibrated for 147r 7.62 NATO.
Its also believed that pre 1947 rifles are better than post-independence ones because there were no more British Standards, not inspectors to verify compliance.

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Tommy Atkins wrote:
Sun Mar 29, 2020 2:49 pm
Better, no, slightly different yes.
There were all sorts of (unproven) rumors about "Better Steel" or "Better Heat Treatment", none have ever been proven.
Its just re barreled for the 7.62mm cartridge.
IIRC the 2A retained the .303 sight unit, the 2A1 got a sight calibrated for 147r 7.62 NATO.
Its also believed that pre 1947 rifles are better than post-independence ones because there were no more British Standards, not inspectors to verify compliance.

I was under the impression that the 'facts' had now been proven following an article by the Proof Master of the Ishapore factory that states the steel used revered back to that specified for the No1 Mk3.

From another forum :

Ishapore 2A Steel

The article covers a host of subjects (and several pages) based around the Indian firearms industry and more specifically the ‘Proof House’, but of particular interest are a couple of paragraphs regarding ‘Enfield’s’.


Extract from “Gun Digest 33rd Anniversary 1979 Deluxe Edition”
Article Author : Mr A G Harrison
Qualification : Former ‘Proof Master’ of the ‘Rifle Factory Proof House, Ishapore, India’

From 1908 to 1950 all military bolt action rifles made at Ishapore were proof tested with a dry-round, followed with by an oiled proof round. The proof cartridge was loaded to 24 tons psi breech pressure, or 15% higher than the service pressure. In 1950 (after the departure, in 1949, of India from British control) the material for the rifle bodies was altered from an EN steel to SWES 48 steel with the recoil shoulder and cam recesses being heat treated. With this change the rifle receivers distorted when oiled proof cartridges were fired. This was discovered when hard and sometimes impossible bolt retraction was experienced. Large quantities of rifles were rejected.
To avoid rejections the authorities ordered discontinuance of the oiled proof round. Therefore from 1950 to the end of SMLE production, rifles made at Ishapore were proof tested with one dry proof only, although the specification still called for both dry and oiled proof. All bolts and bolt heads issued as spares were always proofed with a dry proof round only.

A bolt action rifle similar to the SMLE MkIII*, modified to fire the 7.62mm NATO cartridge, was produced at Ishapore, first in February 1965. The receivers were made of SWES 48 steel (as per the SMLE MkIII*) and with the NATO proof cartridge the receivers were found to distort with both the dry and oiled proof round. The material was changed back to the EN steel so now the rifles stand up better to dry and oiled proof. After passing proof the barrels are impressed with the Indian national proof stamp. The bolt handles and bolt head claws are struck with the crossed flags only.
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I had one, it was a rack driver. I need to pick up another one

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Swissk31 wrote:
Sat Mar 28, 2020 2:20 pm
Im looking in buying this rifle very similar your one.
Can you let me know if its any better the the standard ni1 mk3 in 303?

The ammo availability of 308 is way better in ireland than 303

https://www.valmontfirearms.com/rifles- ... -mm-rifles
I have 2 a '65 & a '67 both great. I have 2 .303 Brits also. They're about the same except ammo costs. PAX

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