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Lee-Enfield System

Posted: Tue Feb 13, 2018 3:57 pm
by Roy mcleod
In my British rifles, i, have this carbine. It is one of my favorites and one of the oldest in my collection,
Rifle info and photos
LEC 1 (Mark1) not to be confused with the short magazine rifle.
Crown VR
Enfield
1898
LEC 1
serial # 2807
cal 303 british
Rifle has a dust cover, a bayonet stud, deleted cleaning rod, no bolt head charger guide
and regimental disc in the butt stock.
This is a long overdue project, I, am now looking a long Lee-Enfield system rifle
to make a matched set
Now that i, have exp all this, just WHAT, is the meaning of letters LEC ??
could it mean Lee-Enfield Carbine??
Looking for info and help on my project
Roy
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Re: Lee-Enfield System

Posted: Tue Feb 13, 2018 4:49 pm
by Tommy Atkins
Yes exactly.
Lee-Enfield Magazine Carbine (No1, for officers use) fitted for bayonet, there was also one without.

Re: Lee-Enfield System

Posted: Tue Feb 13, 2018 5:55 pm
by indy1919a4
they talk about your rifle here..

By the way thats a beauty

http://firearms.net.au/military/index.p ... &Itemid=95

Re: Lee-Enfield System

Posted: Tue Feb 13, 2018 10:33 pm
by Roy mcleod
indy1919a4
Thanks very much for ALL that great info.
NOW, I, know why the rifle is marked LEC,
Thanks again
Roy

Re: Lee-Enfield System

Posted: Wed Feb 14, 2018 11:17 am
by terrylee
Very nice. Appears to be a Royal Irish Constabulary Carbine. What is stamped on the butt disc?

Re: Lee-Enfield System

Posted: Wed Feb 14, 2018 12:37 pm
by DaleH
I dunnoh ... the way I read that link, LEC = Lee Enfield Calavry (not as Lee Enfield Carbine), same way where RIC = Royal Irish Constabulary. The link discussed many variations of “carbine” models and went on to call the ‘New Zealand carbines’ as just NZs.

Not debating people ... just the way it reads and I interpret it, from my tech writing background.

Re: Lee-Enfield System

Posted: Wed Feb 14, 2018 5:14 pm
by Tommy Atkins
I based my reply on this: "Carbine" is mentioned, but there's no mention of "Cavalry" so I went with "Lee-Enfield Carbine No1 for officers use (with bayonet fitting)". Might the "Cavalry" moniker be a bit like the "Jungle Carbine" appellation for the No5?
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Re: Lee-Enfield System

Posted: Wed Feb 14, 2018 11:57 pm
by indy1919a4
That advertisement is wonderful.. What year???

2 more questions what is the cost that can not be in Pounds, could it???

And what is the difference in the Trade pattern to the officers

Re: Lee-Enfield System

Posted: Thu Feb 15, 2018 4:29 am
by Alan De Enfield
indy1919a4 wrote:
Wed Feb 14, 2018 11:57 pm
That advertisement is wonderful.. What year???

2 more questions what is the cost that can not be in Pounds, could it???

And what is the difference in the Trade pattern to the officers
Cost is in shillings with 20 shillings to the pound so :
120 shillings = GBP£6

112/6 is 112 shillings and 6 pennies (with 12 pennies to the shilling) and would normally be written as £5-12/6 (five pounds twelve shillings and six pence)

In those days a 'pound' was a lot of money and saying it was 'x-shillings' sounded cheaper than saying 'x-pounds' (Marketing speak - even in those days !!!)
The average salary in the 1930 was £200, and an average 3-bedroom house was £350 with a pint of beer at 2 pence.

So a £6 rifle was more than a weeks salary.

Re: Lee-Enfield System

Posted: Thu Feb 15, 2018 7:20 am
by RWS
Lots of good info in this thread. Thanks, guys.

-Bob

Re: Lee-Enfield System

Posted: Thu Feb 15, 2018 9:49 am
by Tommy Atkins
My catalog is a reproduction, but its undated. However I've seen similar covers that are original dated 1912.
Factoring in inflation for 1912 sterling that 135 shillings would be a hefty £756.27 in 2018 money!
Here's the opposite side of that page with all the specs.
Lee Enfield Carbines specs20180215.jpg

Re: Lee-Enfield System

Posted: Thu Feb 15, 2018 10:52 am
by indy1919a4
Alan De Enfield wrote:
Thu Feb 15, 2018 4:29 am
indy1919a4 wrote:
Wed Feb 14, 2018 11:57 pm
That advertisement is wonderful.. What year???

2 more questions what is the cost that can not be in Pounds, could it???

And what is the difference in the Trade pattern to the officers
Cost is in shillings with 20 shillings to the pound so :
120 shillings = GBP£6

112/6 is 112 shillings and 6 pennies (with 12 pennies to the shilling) and would normally be written as £5-12/6 (five pounds twelve shillings and six pence)

In those days a 'pound' was a lot of money and saying it was 'x-shillings' sounded cheaper than saying 'x-pounds' (Marketing speak - even in those days !!!)
The average salary in the 1930 was £200, and an average 3-bedroom house was £350 with a pint of beer at 2 pence.

So a £6 rifle was more than a weeks salary.
Many many(X18) thanks Alan de Enfield.. Not only did you explain that Shilling to Pound thing great but thanks for breaking it down in to dollars..

If I may come to the well one more time and ask.. (And mind you I am getting this form old movies) whats a BOB???

Re: Lee-Enfield System

Posted: Thu Feb 15, 2018 11:07 am
by indy1919a4
Tommy Atkins wrote:
Thu Feb 15, 2018 9:49 am
My catalog is a reproduction, but its undated. However I've seen similar covers that are original dated 1912.
Factoring in inflation for 1912 sterling that 135 shillings would be a hefty £756.27 in 2018 money!
Here's the opposite side of that page with all the specs.
Lee Enfield Carbines specs20180215.jpg
Many thanks for posting that catalog, Ones sees alot of the American rifle ads but there is a real lacking in French and English ads like that.. We need to see more...

And I do agree with you that $750 is a lot for firearm like that... (And thanks for doing that calculating, You save me the trip to the inflation calculator :) )
But if you look today a fine state of the art Rifle like that is in the 700 dollar range.. Yes you can get cheaper.. But in the day of 1912.. I could go to the
sears catalog and get cheaper also, for that fact you could go buy some Belgium knock off for a lot less..

I put in an link to Sportsmans guide for best selling Bolt action rifles and can see there are alot over 700..

https://www.sportsmansguide.com/product ... fle2&sb=bs

So in some regards how little prices have changed... If anything when you factor in inflation, some things are higher in the past then in today's dollars.

Hey So many tanks again for that catalog & link.. Its a beauty...

Re: Lee-Enfield System

Posted: Thu Feb 15, 2018 11:09 am
by indy1919a4
Hey I hate to ask one more question here but any idea what Enfield was selling a rifle to the English Government for in this time frame...

Re: Lee-Enfield System

Posted: Thu Feb 15, 2018 11:32 am
by Alan De Enfield
indy1919a4 wrote:
Thu Feb 15, 2018 10:52 am
Alan De Enfield wrote:
Thu Feb 15, 2018 4:29 am
indy1919a4 wrote:
Wed Feb 14, 2018 11:57 pm
That advertisement is wonderful.. What year???



If I may come to the well one more time and ask.. (And mind you I am getting this form old movies) whats a BOB???
Joey = 3 pence
Tanner = 6 pence
Bob = 12 pence (1 shilling)
Florin = 2 shillings
1/2 a crown = 2/6 (2 shillings and 6 pence)
Crown = 5 shillings
Pound = 20 shillings
Guinea = 21 shillings (Horses are still today bought and sold in 'gunineas' not pounds.)

From around 1920 to 1950 there was about US$4 = GBP£1

The old 'schoolboy' version of the song Rule Britannia

"Rule two tanners,
two tanners make a bob,
King George never, never,
never shaved his knob",


We changed to this current foreign 'decimal' currency on 15th Feb 1971.