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Re: Lee-Enfield System

#16 Post by Alan De Enfield » Thu Feb 15, 2018 11:41 am

Alan De Enfield wrote:
Thu Feb 15, 2018 11:32 am
indy1919a4 wrote:
Thu Feb 15, 2018 10:52 am
Alan De Enfield wrote:
Thu Feb 15, 2018 4:29 am
indy1919a4 wrote:
Wed Feb 14, 2018 11:57 pm
That advertisement is wonderful.. What year???



If I may come to the well one more time and ask.. (And mind you I am getting this form old movies) whats a BOB???
Joey = 3 pence
Tanner = 6 pence
Bob = 12 pence (1 shilling)
Florin = 2 shillings
1/2 a crown = 2/6 (2 shillings and 6 pence)
Crown = 5 shillings
Pound = 20 shillings
Guinea = 21 shillings (Horses are still today bought and sold in 'gunineas' not pounds.)

From around 1920 to 1950 there was about US$4 = GBP£1
When I grew up a 'half-crown' was also known as a 'half-a-dollar'.

The old 'schoolboy' version of the song Rule Britannia

"Rule two tanners,
two tanners make a bob,
King George never, never,
never shaved his knob",


We changed to this current foreign 'decimal' currency on 15th Feb 1971.
"When a well-packaged web of lies has been sold gradually to the masses over many years,

the truth will seem utterly preposterous and its speaker a raving lunatic". Dresden James

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#17 Post by Tommy Atkins » Thu Feb 15, 2018 11:47 am

There were also even smaller denominations than the penny. That should put the difference in the actual purchasing power backwards adjusted to remove inflation into perspective.
The "Old" Penny as opposed to the new "Pence" was a huge coin, about the size of a U.S. silver dollar. It actually was costing more than a penny to make a penny at the end of its life! The "pence" is about the same size as a U.S 1 cent coin.

1/2 penny or "hapenny"
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& believe it or not a 1/4 penny or "farthing"
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#18 Post by indy1919a4 » Thu Feb 15, 2018 11:48 am

Alan De Enfield wrote:
Thu Feb 15, 2018 11:32 am

Joey = 3 pence
Tanner = 6 pence
Bob = 12 pence (1 shilling)
Florin = 2 shillings
1/2 a crown = 2/6 (2 shillings and 6 pence)
Crown = 5 shillings
Pound = 20 shillings
Guinea = 21 shillings (Horses are still today bought and sold in 'gunineas' not pounds.)

The old 'schoolboy' version of the song Rule Britannia

"Rule two tanners,
two tanners make a bob,
King George never, never,
never shaved his knob",


We changed to this current foreign 'decimal' currency on 15th Feb 1971.
Awesome.. THANK YOU... Never heard of "Joey" Or "Tanner" before.. and that song is to die for...

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#19 Post by indy1919a4 » Thu Feb 15, 2018 12:01 pm

Tommy Atkins wrote:
Thu Feb 15, 2018 11:47 am
There were also even smaller denominations than the penny. That should put the difference in the actual purchasing power backwards adjusted to remove inflation into perspective.
The "Old" Penny as opposed to the new "Pence" was a huge coin, about the size of a U.S. silver dollar. It actually was costing more than a penny to make a penny at the end of its life! The "pence" is about the same size as a U.S 1 cent coin.

1/2 penny or "hapenny"
Image

& believe it or not a 1/4 penny or "farthing"
Image
Oh KOOL... Heck I thought Farthing was just slang.. did not know it was an actual amount... And of course where would one of the greatest Christmas / Halloween songs of all time be with out Hapenny..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W6CubEnxC9M

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#20 Post by Tommy Atkins » Thu Feb 15, 2018 12:15 pm

indy1919a4 wrote:
Thu Feb 15, 2018 11:09 am
Hey I hate to ask one more question here but any idea what Enfield was selling a rifle to the English Government for in this time frame...
An SMLE Mk III rifle cost the British Government £3/15/- (75 shillings) in 1918
Meanwhile Joe Public was coughing up the princely sum of £6/15-6 for a plain military, or £8/5- for a Best Quality Target. For a piddling extra 1/6d you could get "Government Viewing" added (all those mystery "inspectors stamps" everywhere) & you could upgrade the stock wood or even add a "Hookie" bayonet! (Quite why you'd need the bayonet as a private purchaser boggles the mind, to stab a wounded, charging wild pig & save the Memsahib perhaps?)
If you were a British Subject (& could even prove it) you could have one in .303 British, but "dreadful furrriners" & "Fuzzy-Wuzzies" were limited to less powerful "Mid range & Miniature" calibers by order of "The War Office Authorities"!
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#21 Post by Alan De Enfield » Thu Feb 15, 2018 12:47 pm

indy1919a4 wrote:
Thu Feb 15, 2018 12:01 pm
Tommy Atkins wrote:
Thu Feb 15, 2018 11:47 am
There were also even smaller denominations than the penny. That should put the difference in the actual purchasing power backwards adjusted to remove inflation into perspective.
The "Old" Penny as opposed to the new "Pence" was a huge coin, about the size of a U.S. silver dollar. It actually was costing more than a penny to make a penny at the end of its life! The "pence" is about the same size as a U.S 1 cent coin.

1/2 penny or "hapenny"
Image

& believe it or not a 1/4 penny or "farthing"
Image
Oh KOOL... Heck I thought Farthing was just slang.. did not know it was an actual amount... And of course where would one of the greatest Christmas / Halloween songs of all time be with out Hapenny..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W6CubEnxC9M
The Farthing was legal currency until (I think) 1961 and I well remember them buying one of the "4 for a penny" Black-Jacks" (Licourice chews).

There was also the 1/2 a farthing (about 1/480th of a USD, or 1/48th of a US cent.)

The British half farthing (​ 1⁄8d) coin, usually simply known as a half farthing, was a unit of currency equaling one one-thousand-nine-hundred-and-twentieth of a pound sterling, or one eighth of a penny. It was minted in copper for use in Ceylon, but in 1842 they were declared legal tender in the United Kingdom.

In the early - mid 1800 there was also a 1/3 of a farthing which was worth even less.

(You may have guessed that in addition to Lee Enfield's I am also a Numismatist specialising in collecting British Coins)
"When a well-packaged web of lies has been sold gradually to the masses over many years,

the truth will seem utterly preposterous and its speaker a raving lunatic". Dresden James

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#22 Post by The African » Tue Apr 03, 2018 1:10 am

Hi All. This is my first post here. I have been collecting Lee Enfields for some years now and I'm a member of the South African Arms and Ammunition Collectors Association.
I have a question. The rifle shown in this thread and those depicted in the catalogue are they not Lee Speed Patents? I have a Lee Speed in my collection, the No4 I'm trying to date at the moment.

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#23 Post by Tommy Atkins » Tue Apr 03, 2018 9:50 am

The OP's rifle may well be, it'll depend on the date. The SMLE in the 1920? ish BSA catalog will be after the patent expired so not really though of as a Lee/Speed, but a Lee Enfield.
http://rifleman.org.uk/Lee-Speed.htm

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#24 Post by Rapidrob » Tue Apr 03, 2018 10:30 am

Very nice.
When did they move the socket markings to the right side? Was that to prevent wearing of the markings when slung by the soldier?
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#25 Post by Alan De Enfield » Tue Apr 03, 2018 12:45 pm

Tommy Atkins wrote:
Thu Feb 15, 2018 11:47 am


& believe it or not a 1/4 penny or "farthing"
And the name 'Farthing' comes from 'Fourthing' (or one fourth of a penny)
"When a well-packaged web of lies has been sold gradually to the masses over many years,

the truth will seem utterly preposterous and its speaker a raving lunatic". Dresden James

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#26 Post by Friedspam » Fri Apr 06, 2018 9:30 pm

And I thought the dollars cents nickels dimes quarters where confusing!

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#27 Post by lloydiam » Sat Apr 07, 2018 10:57 am

Friedspam wrote:
Fri Apr 06, 2018 9:30 pm
And I thought the dollars cents nickels dimes quarters where confusing!
I heard that !...................

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#28 Post by Tommy Atkins » Sat Apr 07, 2018 12:31 pm

Wait till you hear the slang being used.
Got change of 5 knickers?
Yeah 3 sheets & four half sheets do you?
Can you make one of em change for fags?
How about a dollar, 2 half dollars & the rest as bobs?
Really!

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#29 Post by 06Rifleman » Sun Apr 08, 2018 6:33 pm

Hello, I was just inquiring as to whether or not there are any companies that specialize in Lee Enfield rifles like CanWest Sport Distributors www.lee-enfieldrifles.com still in business? Any gunsmiths familiar with the Lee Enfield rifle platform would also be greatly appreciated. I'm just looking for contact information on any company/anyone that works on Lee Enfield rifles. Thanks in advance for any and all thoughts, opinions, or answers.

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#30 Post by Tommy Atkins » Mon Apr 09, 2018 10:34 am

Whereabouts? In the U.S.?

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