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Info on Sht Lee Enfield 1917 no1 mk3*

#1 Post by jonasbjo » Thu Feb 08, 2018 12:43 pm

Hey guys,
I have recently bought a 1917 no1 mk3, and i am looking for info on it! The guy i bought it from had himself bought it in canada in the 1960s. He hadn't done anything with it himself, so it is in the same state as when he got it.
Basically tell me everything you can from the markings that are on it. What they mean etc. Posting pictures below.
What i am wondering in particular, is why some rifles with the exact same designation (BSA Sht L.E 1917 no1 mk3) have full wooden stocks, 10 round mags and "round" bolts (the rear part of the bolt is round instead of flat as on the no4), while some, like mine, have shorter stocks, flat bolts and a 6 round mag?
What does it say on the front sights? "Perkenbale"? Are those original?
The bolt doesnt have the same number as the receiver, so it's obviously not original, but is it the same type of bolt that were standard issue on these?
As for the hole in the side of the stock and the magazine, that was a law that came (and disappeared a year later) in norway in the late sixties stating that you couldnt have more than one round available when hunting reindeer. So you had to drill a hole and put a wire or something through. A shame, but thats how it was. Receiver also has holes for a scope mount on it.
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#2 Post by jonasbjo » Thu Feb 08, 2018 12:47 pm

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#3 Post by jonasbjo » Thu Feb 08, 2018 12:49 pm

And some more..
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#4 Post by jonasbjo » Thu Feb 08, 2018 12:50 pm

And finally some of the bolt and the butt. There were no markings on the flat part of the butt plate, only on the top
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#5 Post by Alan De Enfield » Thu Feb 08, 2018 3:37 pm

Sad to see such a good old work-horse treated so badly.

It was a No1 Mk3 Short Magazine Lee Enfield, that did its 'bit' for King & Country - it is now a 'bubba'd cut up hunting rifle.

The magazine looks to have been cut down from the original 10 round magazine.
The woodwork has been 'sporterised'
The front sights have been removed and replaced with Parker-Hale 'sporting sights.
Mismatched bolt
Hole drilled thru' stock for a 'wire' ?
Action drilled for a scope mount.

It was sold out of service into the UK civilian gun trade (hence the UK Proof marks)
It was imported into the USA pre-1968

Sorry if it bursts your bubble, but it has little value as a Lee Enfield, but would be worth (maybe) $150 as a 'throw it in the back of the truck' gun.
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Re: Info on Sht Lee Enfield 1917 no1 mk3*

#6 Post by Tommy Atkins » Thu Feb 08, 2018 5:50 pm

Not really sure about the transverse hole its in an odd place. That's explained by the Norwegian magazine blocking rule though. Sadly its destroyed any remaining value in the magazine though.
Yes its been sported & so devalued heavily.
The rounded edges of the cocking piece are just a different mark of cocking piece there were several.
I'd like to actually see a few images of that magazine separated from the rifle, it might be an actual aftermarket 5-round from Japan & they are becoming collectable in their own right, but not to purists. Unfortunately the mag block hole pretty much dropped that to zero.
Depending on how well it was modified it may be a nice hunting rifle, but its no longer collectable in any way.
Does it shoot to point of aim & with what?

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#7 Post by jonasbjo » Thu Feb 15, 2018 12:15 pm

Tommy Atkins wrote:
Thu Feb 08, 2018 5:50 pm
I'd like to actually see a few images of that magazine separated from the rifle, it might be an actual aftermarket 5-round from Japan & they are becoming collectable in their own right, but not to purists. Unfortunately the mag block hole pretty much dropped that to zero.
Depending on how well it was modified it may be a nice hunting rifle, but its no longer collectable in any way.
Does it shoot to point of aim & with what?
Here are a couple pics of the mag. It does say "made in japan" on it, along with "santa fe". But obviously there is a hole in it. What is the deal with these mags?
Havent tried it yet, just cleaned the bore. Looked like that hadnt been done in 40 years..
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#8 Post by Tommy Atkins » Thu Feb 15, 2018 5:02 pm

Oh man!
:-?
They were the best of the aftermarket 5-rounders. I hope its still functional.
Santa Fe were reworked rifles made into fantasy guns in the U.S. they have slowly escaped the stigma of "Bubba'ed Sporters" & are gaining collectable status in their own right.

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#9 Post by steamer » Thu Feb 15, 2018 7:02 pm

Well most of us have made impulse buys without being fully informed (I know I have) and then regretted it later. Hopefully the rifle will be a decent shooter.

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#10 Post by VMASCIOP2000 » Thu Feb 15, 2018 11:30 pm

Google Golden State Arms Corporation.
I was R.L.E.V.M. on our old forum.

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#11 Post by Tommy Atkins » Fri Feb 16, 2018 9:31 am

For its purpose its gong to be fine, you have no say in the game laws you're obliged to work with.
Herre's some info on the Golden State/ Santa Fe brand.
https://webpages.uidaho.edu/stratton/SantaFeRifles.htm

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#12 Post by indy1919a4 » Fri Feb 16, 2018 12:14 pm

Tommy Atkins wrote:
Fri Feb 16, 2018 9:31 am
For its purpose its gong to be fine, you have no say in the game laws you're obliged to work with.
Herre's some info on the Golden State/ Santa Fe brand.
https://webpages.uidaho.edu/stratton/SantaFeRifles.htm
Nice web site,,, I personally will never sneer at a Golden state Enfield again... And I now officially repent
my negative thoughts of the past...

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#13 Post by Tommy Atkins » Fri Feb 16, 2018 3:22 pm

This is my take.
I found a naggered No5 Mk1. Refinished (nicely blued), bayo lug gone, stock had dollops of epoxy everywhere & had been hogged out with a chainsaw. I wouldn't call it bedding! :o :violin:
It was priced right so I took a chance. At the range it did patterns about 1/2 a county to the right!
Well I restocked it, gave it a birthday & scoped it with a nice ND/NT mount & popped a Leopold on it.
It shoots to point of aim & does 4" @ 100yds, for 10 rounds, not bad for a "Gooberment Model Sporter"! :eusa-whistle:
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Re: Info on Sht Lee Enfield 1917 no1 mk3*

#14 Post by Tommy Atkins » Fri Feb 16, 2018 3:26 pm

Hmm, only one image posted, trying again.
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