Australian Enfield Mark 111 Lithgow rifle markings

[Roy mcleod]

I, have four Lithgow rifles. With only two types of markings.
I, would ask, are there any other type of markings, on these rifles??
Note photos and rifle info from the top down
Shield with star lithgow SHT.LE 111* 1919 serial # 73007 A 3419 cal 303 British
Shield with star Lithgow SHTLE 111 1916 serial #44628 cal 303 british
MA S.M.LE 111**Lithgow 1941 serial # 33547 cal 303 British
MA S.M.L.E. 111* Lithgow 1941 serial serial # 8060 cal 303 British

[George n the Ozarks]

Nice Lithy collection, got one in .22 LF ??

[indy1919a4]

I love that redish stock on the upper rifle..

[MauserMadness]

I just picked up my first MK III* and it is a 1941 Lithgow. Apart from surplus and rolling your own, any input on the best ammunition available for it. Seems local gun show guys like to talk about the 1000's of rounds they have hoarded away but not about selling any. My only box is from 1942 and Winchester Lend Lease made so I'd rather not burn that up.

[indy1919a4]

Hey MauserMadness. can you really be worrying about 303 ammo with that kind of a name???

Seriously, you have a chance to get some.. SOG (That is right in your neck of the woods to boot) has some 1940s British 303 right now... I picked up a few cases.. I have found they work good, they are Berdan primed, so harder to reload,, But they all went boom.. My only complaint with them is SOG shipped them in those plastic ammo cans and when they arrive those plastic ammo cans were busted to pieces.. So do not think you will get any plastic cans out of the deal.

http://www.southernohiogun.com/british- ... -ammo.html

[MauserMadness]

Hey Indy 1919A4, Thanks for the heads up, I havent checked SOG for a bit and my google game must not of been strong!

I used to do a lot of reenacting in the Indianapolis area. Next month I have to go down to work on a friends White M3A1 Scout car for an Eastern Front Event at Fort Benjamin Harrison.

[Alan De Enfield]

I just picked up my first MK III* and it is a 1941 Lithgow. Apart from surplus and rolling your own, any input on the best ammunition available for it. Seems local gun show guys like to talk about the 1000's of rounds they have hoarded away but not about selling any. My only box is from 1942 and Winchester Lend Lease made so I'd rather not burn that up.

During WW11 much of Winchesters production was unreliable and relegated to 'practice use only' and DEFINITELY not for use in aircraft as it casued jams.

Cartons wwre marked with a red label and 'NOT FOR USE IN AIRCRAFT' & 'PRACTICE IN RIFLES ONLY'

Source Page 79 of :
Regulations For Army Ordnance Services
Pamphlet 11, Part 7
"Small Arms Ammunition"

[indy1919a4]

I am really intrigued with this.. are there any records or extra details as to how unreliable??? Or how the ammo was determined to be Unreliable??

I just picked up my first MK III* and it is a 1941 Lithgow. Apart from surplus and rolling your own, any input on the best ammunition available for it. Seems local gun show guys like to talk about the 1000's of rounds they have hoarded away but not about selling any. My only box is from 1942 and Winchester Lend Lease made so I'd rather not burn that up.

During WW11 much of Winchesters production was unreliable and relegated to 'practice use only' and DEFINITELY not for use in aircraft as it casued jams.

Cartons wwre marked with a red label and 'NOT FOR USE IN AIRCRAFT' & 'PRACTICE IN RIFLES ONLY'

Source Page 79 of :
Regulations For Army Ordnance Services
Pamphlet 11, Part 7
"Small Arms Ammunition"

[Alan De Enfield]

I am really intrigued with this.. are there any records or extra details as to how unreliable??? Or how the ammo was determined to be Unreliable??

I just picked up my first MK III* and it is a 1941 Lithgow. Apart from surplus and rolling your own, any input on the best ammunition available for it. Seems local gun show guys like to talk about the 1000's of rounds they have hoarded away but not about selling any. My only box is from 1942 and Winchester Lend Lease made so I'd rather not burn that up.

During WW11 much of Winchesters production was unreliable and relegated to 'practice use only' and DEFINITELY not for use in aircraft as it casued jams.

Cartons wwre marked with a red label and 'NOT FOR USE IN AIRCRAFT' & 'PRACTICE IN RIFLES ONLY'

Source Page 79 of :
Regulations For Army Ordnance Services
Pamphlet 11, Part 7
"Small Arms Ammunition"

If you pm me your email address I send you a Pdf of the 'Pamphlet' which includes the details - it is also interesting to note that that all ammunition is relegated to practice when it is 10 year old (tropical regions) and 15 years (temperate regions) See page 81 of the above pamphlet.

[indy1919a4]

I will be glad to send you my e-mail. but I am sure if you posted the link others would like to see it..

And many thanks for taking the time.. I love these kind of details

[MauserMadness]

Yes please post a link for all to see

[Alan De Enfield]

MESSAGE :
Error
File too large: Small Arms Training Pamphlet 11 (Ammunition).pdf


Which is why I suggested sending it to any interested parties, it is 12mb and this is just one of a series of 18 'pamplets' in the series
examples :
No1 = "Weapons Training"
No2 = "Application of Fire"
No3 = "Rifle"
..........
..........
No11 = "Ammunition"
No12 = "Bayonet"

[Tidewater_Kid]

I believe the pamplets are available here:

https://vickersmg.wordpress.com/manual/ ... g-manuals/

TK

[Alan De Enfield]

I believe the pamplets are available here:

https://vickersmg.wordpress.com/manual/ ... g-manuals/

TK

Thanks for that - great site that I was not aware of.

It seems that they do not have the Pamphlet Part 7, No 11 (Small Arms Ammunition)
They seem to have different series as their Pamphlet No 11 is "Pistol (.38")

[Alan De Enfield]

The Cover only as it is too large to post the full copy.