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PostPosted: Mon Dec 19, 2016 11:00 am 
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Looks most like a Model 1917 but, This Mystery Extractor is Longer [4-7/8] than the 1917 [4-3/8]
and the Groove in the bolt at the head of the 1917...[the one that "guide"s the Extractor], Would need to be Significantly Wider to accommodate this Extractor..

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Any Ideas??
I was looking for an M98 Extractor when I obtained this one!! OOps!!! Not Mauser that I have.


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PostPosted: Mon Dec 19, 2016 11:25 am 
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Quality of the machining is poor; I'd look at a Chiang Kai-shek Mauser perhaps?

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PostPosted: Mon Dec 19, 2016 12:39 pm 
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Rapidrob wrote:
Quality of the machining is poor; I'd look at a Chiang Kai-shek Mauser perhaps?

Not Mauser...Too long and won't "clear" the locking lug...
Unless there is some king of Magnum Mauser??
I'll go looking...
If it fit any of my Mausers...I would already be using it!!


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PostPosted: Mon Dec 19, 2016 2:40 pm 
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The area machined to clear the bolt lug looks like the shape of an Arisaka lug. I am not at home to be able to compare to one.

Here is a link to a closed auction for an Arisaka extractor: http://www.gunauction.com/buy/8840186

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PostPosted: Mon Dec 19, 2016 7:31 pm 
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GIJeaux wrote:
The area machined to clear the bolt lug looks like the shape of an Arisaka lug. I am not at home to be able to compare to one.

Here is a link to a closed auction for an Arisaka extractor: http://www.gunauction.com/buy/8840186

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Yes...It looks alot like one..with that "roundiness" at the lug relief, and being that "shallow"
I'll ask around about the Length of the Arisaka Extractor..

Thanks...Didn't think of that one!!!


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PostPosted: Tue Dec 20, 2016 9:07 am 
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I got home last night and completely forgot to pull out some Arisaka bolts. Sorry.

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PostPosted: Tue Dec 20, 2016 9:47 am 
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GIJeaux wrote:
I got home last night and completely forgot to pull out some Arisaka bolts. Sorry.

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Oh!! I think you've got it pegged tho..I see so many "variations" that I'm sure this one fits in there somewhere..
It is a bit more refined in Shape, and has that "divot" at the claw, but, So do most of the earlier ones I have Searched out [pics only]..Once I am Positive what it is, I guess I'll do a WTT again!!!! LOL
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 20, 2016 11:10 am 
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I pulled the extractors out of my 7.7 and 6.5 rifles.
7.7 Jap early model
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6.5 Jap early model
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 20, 2016 11:43 am 
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The milled area for the bolt collar lug looks more like the 8 MM Siamese Rifle than the Jap rifles.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 20, 2016 12:16 pm 
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Rapidrob wrote:
The milled area for the bolt collar lug looks more like the 8 MM Siamese Rifle than the Jap rifles.
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Yes it certainly does...
But, The one I am holding is very close to 5 inches long...4-7/8 would be close...
Never seen a Siamese in person...
I wonder if it will help to measure the width of the Guide??
I'll get some more measurements...right now...
I would just as soon identify this and get it traded...all I want is an extractor for my Mauser!!!! LOL
Not really...an Education is Priceless.....


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PostPosted: Tue Dec 20, 2016 12:57 pm 
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OK
I stole your Image for this...cause it is the right View.

A= nominal width at slot = .43
B=width of Slot = .200
C=width of Claw = .38
1=Nominal length = 4.955
2=end of claw to root of Slot = 1.527
3=end of claw to leading edge of Guide = .3
4=distance between claw underside and edge of Guide = .19
5=Width of Guide = .098

PITA I know...But without having it in my hand...Alls I gots!!!


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PostPosted: Tue Dec 20, 2016 1:23 pm 
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Siamese Mauser
A-.420
B-.200
C-.302
1-4.340
2-1.257
3-.315
4-.232
5-1.14
Jap7.7
A-427
B-.206
C-.431
1-4.952
2-1.498
3-.286
4-.193
5-1.033

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The quality of the machine work does look like it could be late Jap WWII. I checked all the Mausers I have in my collection and none show that rough machine marks. I do not own a Last Ditch Jap rifle.

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Rob, I think I will stay with the Arisaka..especially after seeing your measurements...
except the #4 and #5 which are hard to explain..If I called the Gap between claw and "guide" #4 I get ~.2 with inside Mic. and the thickness of the guide itself, that fits into the slot on the bolt head, #5 I get ~ .1 with outside Mic.
I searched out a Long and Short extractor for the type 99 and no two short ones have been the same length yet..
So...We'll just say this is a Type 99 Arisaka long extractor???
OK?

Thanks for going thru this with me...I appreciate it...now I know what a Siamese mauser extractor looks like also...
BTW...I gotta know...What is your theory on the Why of the "notch" at the claw??? Why the heck would it have to be Narrower???


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PostPosted: Tue Dec 20, 2016 1:50 pm 
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Rapidrob wrote:
The quality of the machine work does look like it could be late Jap WWII. I checked all the Mausers I have in my collection and none show that rough machine marks. I do not own a Last Ditch Jap rifle.
None of my Turks are that rough.

That, and I have what I believe to be a chiang kai shek mauser bolt, and the Extractor seems fairly well made, tho it shows machining marks as well...I think alot of what you are seeing on this one is due to my rather Poor Lighting set-up..I have seen Late War K98 Extractors at least as Bad for Machining marks....
Again...I appreciate your Efforts...Above and Beyond!!! Thanks


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