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PostPosted: Mon Jun 20, 2016 8:55 pm 
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I ask this since I have a few mosins with quite a few dings and battle scars. Does it freak any of you guys out that your rifle may have killed some combatant or civilians?


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PostPosted: Mon Jun 20, 2016 9:35 pm 
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We all know there's always been that possibility but there's really no way of ever knowing for sure. It lends an air of mystique to the hobby which is kind of cool except for the civilian side of it. Also, welcome to the forum.

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 20, 2016 9:36 pm 
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Yes I often wonder the history of my weapons, if they could talk the stories they would tell. As to whether it was used to kill some one, doesn't bother me at all! They were made for soldiers to use, and that use included the taking of enemy lives. It's all part of their unspoken history!

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 20, 2016 9:46 pm 
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HighlyAdaptive wrote:
I ask this since I have a few mosins with quite a few dings and battle scars. Does it freak any of you guys out that your rifle may have killed some combatant or civilians?


No it doesn't, "freak me out". They are artifacts, inanimate objects of wood and steel, and do not come complete with the previous users, who may or may not have ended someone's life, with reason or not.

Like any other historical artifact it is interesting to study them, their invention, design, engineering, and manufacturing. Their technological contribution to a more ordered and peaceful world. They help bring history alive so we can learn from it and avoid making the same mistakes and build upon our succeses.

There are some however, that would like to erase history, so we cannot learn from and build upon the past.

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 20, 2016 11:21 pm 
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TNGhost wrote:
There are some however, that would like to erase history, so we cannot learn from and build upon the past.


At risk of getting political, some want to erase it because they know their ideas have already been proven to be bad ideas over and over....

To the OP, I expect with as many WW1 and WWII rifles I have, chances are at least some of them have seen combat. Doesn't bother me any. They were just tools at the time.


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PostPosted: Tue Jun 21, 2016 11:04 am 
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History is pretty much defined by conflict, much of it armed. If you have something historical its probably been involved in an armed conflict at some time.
Personally speaking I don't believe in any kind of "Charecter" to inert equipment, so I don't think its really relevant.

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 21, 2016 12:22 pm 
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You can sometimes be able to research the ones that are unit marked. My Gew 1888/05 was with a reserve regiment that was on the Western front during the Christmas truce of 1914

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 21, 2016 1:34 pm 
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For a while I had one of the infamous Beverly Hills 90210 Yugo 59/66s. I have no doubt it saw action. Did that bother me, no. I felt more sorry for the poor schelp who had had to lug that thing around day after day. Those brutes weighed in close to 10 lbs when loaded. Guess it built character. I got tired of lugging it from the car to the shooting bench and got rid of it. Plus it was a pain with that gas shut off valve. Let it builds someone else's character.


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Was the rifle you hold turned in by the soldier it was issued to at the end of the war or was it recovered from the battlefield?
Your rifle is a tool.Used in combat or not. You may be its last owner as a free American.
Enjoy it.

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 22, 2016 9:29 am 
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I think it's natural to speculate about the former history of vintage items. Things that have been used decades or even centuries ago. My Milsurps are all well used. They may have seen combat or just been lugged around by recruits. I've had unissued guns but I sold them off as they were safe Queens. Do my guns "freak me out"? No. As a war veteran myself I enjoy my cadre of Old Soldiers and I leave any judgments to the Ivory Tower Crowd.

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 22, 2016 11:11 am 
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I guess any used firearm, kitchen tool, gardening implement, could have a history of good or bad, but it is just speculation.

"Battle scars" could just be some milsurper dropped it off the kitchen table.

There are very few weapons that can be traced back to the person who carried it.

I doubt Vasili's PU, or Audie's M1919 in a museum somewhere, is actually the real firearm. they are just a tool, and broken ones get replaced with functioning ones as needed.

I am lucky to own William Bonney's M16A1.... :thumb:

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 14, 2016 7:07 am 
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No,

It doesn't freak me out. In fact, I have a few that fall on the other side of the equation...

I of course do feel for the men who carried these rifles into battle, and who would have at very least been seriously injured fighting for their country.

These rifles now serve as a reminder of them, and what they sacrificed.

Sadly I will never know who they were issued to, or even where they were picked up.


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PostPosted: Fri Oct 14, 2016 11:33 am 
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I do not know what happened in my mil-sups previous owners lives. I do however own my father's Colt Diamondback .38 that my brother's wife used to commit suicide. I am sorry that she took her life but the handgun was just a tool she used. I keep the gun because it used to belong to my father and I cherish it for that memory. Guns are not good or evil they are just tools.


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PostPosted: Fri Oct 14, 2016 1:36 pm 
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I have a 1941 German 98K Mauser GI bringback from WWII, it was brought from a battlefield
somewhere in Europe by a fellows Grandfather who served there. It was found tucked away
in a closet several months after the Grandfathers passing, that was over 10 years ago. The
Grandmother wanted it out of the house, I ended up with it. Knowing that it took lives, I feel
the weapon was liberated from a circumstance in history, and now leads a life of game harvesting.
I understand it happened, but I don't dwell on it. It's a piece of history! :mrgreen:


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PostPosted: Sun Oct 30, 2016 10:11 am 
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I do wonder sometimes about the what my firearms have been through. But I like to think about who they might have kept alive or what tyranny they may have helped to rectify. :think:


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