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Arisaka Type 30

Posted: Tue May 07, 2019 8:04 pm
by 26Intrepid
Hello Forum. I’m new to this sight and I have a question that I hope somebody can answer. First of all, sorry for the pic... had to shrink way down to post and that was the best that I could come up with. These markings are on the receiver, right under where the chrysanthemum would be located. Now, was this rifle ordered by a certain country (Possibly China?) or did someone scrub the chrysanthemum and markings and place their own? I searched many forums and the “net” ... zero luck. I’d thought I’d share with you folks and hopefully somebody knows. Rifle also has number “271” inscribed in the stock and number “83” inscribed on the side of the wrist (Both in the furniture). Also has the hook style safety and a low serial number “5548”... Toyo-Koyo Arsenal. Biggest question... whose marking is on the receiver???
Thanks

Re: Arisaka Type 30

Posted: Tue May 07, 2019 10:47 pm
by dynachrome

Re: Arisaka Type 30

Posted: Tue May 07, 2019 11:06 pm
by 26Intrepid
I’ve been on those sites.. nada. Thanks for the reply.. post more pics

Re: Arisaka Type 30

Posted: Tue May 07, 2019 11:11 pm
by 26Intrepid
One more...

Re: Arisaka Type 30

Posted: Wed May 08, 2019 12:19 am
by 72 usmc
I am not an expert on these old dogs, but I believe that this type 30 is a schools or training rifle with those markings. Is the barrel a smooth bore?
The type 30 is the standard rifle of the Japanese infantry from 1897 to 1905 that was chambered in 6.5x50. It does not have the normal 3 10 markings.
When decommisioned by the arsenal the used, worn out weapons were reused as training weapons, some marked infantry rifles with rifled barrels, others converted for training had different markings and a smooth bore. Type 30s are a hard find, many were converted to fire blanks for training rifles after they were declared obsolete. The arsenal removed the mums, bored out the rifling, then stamped them with different japanese characters. It also has rack numbers. I got to find my book so I can get you a reference. My guess a Type 30 Traning rifle due to a lack of mum and writing which I think means fire blanks only????? In any event check the barrel, look the bolt over, and headspace the rifle. I would not fire live ammo out of it.
Type 30 training rifle[edit]
Approximately 10,000 rifles were converted into blank-firing training rifles around 1905–1921. The weapon's rifled barrel was bored out to make the barrel smooth bore and most of the receiver markings were removed, including the Imperial Chrysanthemum. In its place were the characters 空 放 銃, which mean "blank firing gun".[9]
See this book
Allan, Francis C.; White, Doss H.; Zielinski, Dr. Stanley. The Early Arisakas 2006. AK Enterprises, U.S.A. ISBN 0-9614814-5-5.
your rifle markings
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The book
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Re: Arisaka Type 30

Posted: Wed May 08, 2019 7:28 am
by 26Intrepid
Ahhhhhhh thank you sir. Yes, it does have a smooth bore and appears you’ve solved my mystery. I don’t like training rifles because of their poor value. However, I only paid a couple hundred dollars for it and seems to be somewhat of a rare breed (only 10,000 converted to training rifles). It’s in pretty decent condition for its age. I don’t shoot these old dogs... I only collect them for their fascinating history. Once again, thank you so much for your response and knowledge! David