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Siamese type 45 rifles

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Siamese type 45 rifles

#1 Post by Roy mcleod » Mon Mar 26, 2018 3:56 pm

In my collection, I, have these three Siamese rifles,Two are long rifles and a Carbine.
I, know little about there rifles.I, have not been able to shoot them. I, have not been able to locate ammo or attempt to handload.
I, have been told, the two long rifles, have been modified, from cal 8x5oR to 8x52R, as the rear sight top bases, have been ground
down. All have the sliding type receiver dust cover. I, can not tell, if the Carbines cal, has been modified, It would appear, these
rifles are of top Mauser quality. I, would add, I, plan to sell one of the rifles. I, am looking for comments am more info on these rifles,.
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Roy
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#2 Post by Rapidrob » Mon Mar 26, 2018 5:50 pm

They are great rifles in a really fun caliber. If you reload,brass is very easy to make. The rifles shoot very well at long distance and are close to a medium load of 7.62x54R
The bores are NOT .323,but the larger .327 which was common then. Brass can be made from .45-70, 8x56R and even 7.62x54R although a little short.
A club member of mine wrote the book on these rifles and shoots his like he was born to do it. If you want to get in touch with him,PM me and I'll give you his email address.
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#3 Post by vandle » Tue Mar 27, 2018 1:40 am

I really like these rifles, have this feel of east meets west.
My long rifle is quite accurate and a nice handling rifle for a long rifle.
Saw the carbine at a recent gun show, got excited until I was told the price.
Sheepishly walked away from that one unfortunately.

By the way, very nice examples Roy
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#4 Post by bobvz » Tue Mar 27, 2018 6:46 pm

I could have bought a carbine in original 8x50 cal for $75 20 years ago and could kick myself now. Currently I own a beautiful long rifle in 8x52 and reload for it. It is one of my Mauser type fav's. Buffalo Brass has the cases and you can get Lee Precision to make some collet dies for around $60 or so. That's what I did. The groove diameter of the Siamese is .321, but .323 8mm bullets work fine. I buy surplus 8x57 ammo and pull it down for powder and bullets. MIne punches 1.5 MOA groups at 100 yds.

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#5 Post by slowbob2 » Tue Mar 27, 2018 7:56 pm

I have never seen one with a .321 dia groove , All of mine are .327 + .

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#6 Post by Rapidrob » Tue Mar 27, 2018 11:27 pm

I found the WWII French heavy LEBEL bullets for their Hotchkiss MG's work very well out of the Siamese rifles and carbines. Keep the load at or slightly under 2,400 fps and they shoot very well at 800 yards.
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#7 Post by Roy mcleod » Fri Mar 30, 2018 5:37 pm

Thanks everyone!!
Shooting these rifles, from my collection, has been a LONG overdue project!!
My son and I, will make every effort NOW, to handload and shoot these rifles.
Thanks again
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#8 Post by echo1 » Sat Mar 31, 2018 5:54 am

I've got a long rifle in the original 8X50R. It's made very well. I've held on to it just because. PAX

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